XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian   
      
   On Thu, 5 Jan 2012 16:10:15 -0800, "Dutch"  wrote:   
      
   > wrote in message news:n7jcg79l396e8o3ep3d72t1umj9j8eokgg@4ax.com...   
   >> On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 13:54:58 -0800, "Dutch" lied:   
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>> wrote in message news:a7h4g7pgdi2tvu35297beeomrqvmu3mdsu@4ax.com...   
   >>>> On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 02:41:47 +0000 (UTC), Jahbulon   
   >>>>    
   >>>> wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>"Dutch"  wrote in news:pjQKq.8770$SG3.6723@newsfe11.iad:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> Why don't you do some research and report back   
   >>>>>> to the group instead of tossing out questions   
   >>>>>> and hoping others will do the work for you?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>I don't know where to start. My only experience is non-leather belts   
   >>>>>that   
   >>>>>seem to break within about a week, and shoes that don't last as long as   
   >>>>>those made of leather.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>    You're almost certainly contributing to more cds every time you buy   
   >>>> those   
   >>>> things than you would be if you bought leather, unless those things   
   >>>> don't   
   >>>> involve any cds at all as leather doesn't.   
   >>>   
   >>>That's a lie.   
   >>   
   >>    You're lying. You can't say every death associated with the animal is   
   >> also   
   >> associated with every single product and part of product that results in   
   >> the   
   >> animal having lived and died.   
   >   
   >You can and you must.   
   >   
   > For example if a grass raised steer was   
   >> responsible for 12 significant deaths of other animals like rodents and   
   >> reptiles, which is probably extremely high   
   >   
   >You don't have the slightest idea if it's high or not.   
      
       How do you think cows kill?   
      
   >, and the animal was raised for beef,   
   >> then the 12 deaths are split amoung however many servings of beef resulted   
   >> from   
   >> butchering. That being the case those deaths can't ALSO be AGAIN counted   
   >> for the   
   >> by-products which the animal was not specifically raised for. Not for   
   >> leather,   
   >> not for fertilizer, not for pet food...   
   >   
   >Every product derived from the animal shares in the resultant death toll.   
   >Why would pet food and leather be exempt?   
      
       Because it was only raised for food.   
      
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