XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, talk.politics.animals, alt   
   food.vegan.science   
      
   On Thu, 08 Mar 2012 13:40:09 -0800, Goo wrote:   
      
   >   
   >“Veganism” *is* bullshit. Here’s why. It claims to be an ethical   
   >response to an ethical problem, but 1) there is no agreement that there   
   >is an ethical problem   
      
   "the "getting to experience life" deserves NO moral   
   consideration, and is given none; the deliberate killing   
   of animals for use by humans DOES deserve moral   
   consideration, and gets it." - Goo   
      
   "the moral harm caused by killing them is greater in magnitude   
   than ANY benefit they might derive from "decent lives" - Goo   
      
   ""giving them life" does NOT mitigate the wrongness of   
   their deaths" - Goo   
      
   "Life "justifying" death is the   
   stupidest goddamned thing you ever wrote." - Goo   
      
   "NO livestock benefit from being farmed." - Goo   
      
   "No farm animals benefit from farming." - Goo   
      
   "the nutritionally unnecessary choice deliberately to kill an animal   
   ALWAYS causes a moral harm greater in magnitude than . . . the   
   moral "benefit" realized by the animal in existing at all" - Goo   
      
   "There is nothing to "appreciate" about the livestock "getting   
   to experience life" - Goo   
      
   "no matter how "decent" the conditions are, the deliberate killing   
   of the animals erases all of it." - Goo   
      
   "Causing animals to be born and "get to experience life"   
   (in Fuckwit's wretched prose) is no mitigation at all for   
   killing them." - Goo   
   . . .   
   >2) the response is ethically empty.   
      
   "People who don't want them to exist should be "vegans".   
   "Vegans" aren't interested in contributing to lives of any   
   quality for farm animals:  they don't want there to be farm   
   animals." - Goo   
      
   ""vegans" are interested in their influence on animals,   
   Fuckwit.  They want everyone to be "vegan", which would   
   mean no animals raised for food and other products. That's   
   an influence, whether you like it or not." - Goo   
      
   ""Veg*nism" certainly doesn't harm any living farm animals.   
   And if everyone adopted "veg*nism", no farm animals would   
   live in bad conditions." - Goo   
      
   "you MUST believe that it makes moral sense not   
   to raise the animals as the only way to prevent the harm that   
   results from killing them." - Goo   
      
   "There is no "selfishness" involved in wanting farm animals not to   
   exist as a step towards creating a more just world." - Goo   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)