XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, talk.politics.animals, alt   
   food.vegan.science   
      
   On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 13:48:14 -0700, "Dutch"  wrote:   
      
   >   
   >"Rupert"  wrote   
   >> On Mar 17, 3:50 pm, George Plimpton  wrote:   
   >>> On 3/17/2012 1:05 AM, Rupert wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>> > On Mar 15, 6:12 am, George Plimpton  wrote:   
   >>> >> It's just a hideously ugly fake word on its face, and the loathsome   
   >>> >> ideas and false beliefs encapsulated in it are even more hideously   
   >>> >> ugly.   
   >>>   
   >>> > What's ugly about the ideas involved in veganism?   
   >>>   
   >>> False morality is inherently ugly, especially when it involves self   
   >>> exaltation and sanctimony.   
   >>   
   >> I don't believe that a desire to do something about animal suffering   
   >> is inherently ugly, and I don't believe that it involves self-   
   >> exaltation and sanctimony.   
   >   
   >This issue of collateral death and suffering does not exist in the conscious   
   >awareness of the vast majority of vegans. When it is introduced to them, two   
   >reactions outnumber all others by a wide margin, the first is denial, the   
   >second is 'I'm still doing better than meat eaters'. Concern about the death   
   >and suffering they just became aware of virtually never comes into it, and   
   >certainly not anywhere near to the level of the concern they claim to have   
   >for farmed animals. This is compelling evidence that veganism is primarily   
   >about maintaining a holy image, by the implication that the diet and   
   >lifestyles of most people is tantamount to barbarism. This is the ugly part,   
   >there's almost a Muslim-like zeal to it.   
      
       They SHOULD care especially since they try to PRETEND to care, but it's the   
   same as you and your anticonsideration from my pov, which is even more evidence   
   to me that you're still an eliminationist never having gotten over it or   
   probably even coming close...well...maybe you almost kinda sorta tried to get   
   over it a tiny bit, but that made you feel dirty...   
       Anyway, fuck all that. This is a time when you could possibly help your   
   brother a bit, because afaik even at this stage in his life poor Rupert STILL   
   can't comprehend how grass raised beef can sometimes/often involve fewer   
   wildlife deaths than growing and harvesting soy beans does. Do you think you   
   could explain it to him in a way that he could learn to comprehend at least one   
   example? Or do you think that for some reason his brain is physically unable to   
   accept much less appreciate those particular situations?   
      
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