XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, talk.politics.animals, alt   
   food.vegan.science   
      
   On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 18:25:02 -0700, "Dutch"  wrote:   
      
   > wrote in message news:8f6vl7t58a8b5hup82daqci7rtodia1nv5@4ax.com...   
   >> On Fri, 9 Mar 2012 13:07:32 -0800, "Dutch"  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> wrote in message news:po8il75oju16vkc4ot4cust6bknqie2c96@4ax.com...   
   >>>> On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 13:57:21 -0800, "Dutch"  wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> wrote in message   
   >>>>>news:1g5dl71ri9t5mok0io0hg6uj9sapuoktm4@4ax.com...   
   >>>>>> On Tue, 06 Mar 2012 12:55:32 +0000, Glen  wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>On 06/03/2012 08:57, Rupert wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> On Mar 6, 5:08 am, Goo wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Woopert, "glen" here is a "vegan" who claims his diet doesn't kill   
   >>>>>>>>> *any*   
   >>>>>>>>> animals.  What do you have to say to him, Woopert?   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> He is incorrect.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>I have never denied that animals die during crop production. What I   
   >>>>>>>deny is ... [Goo's] baseless claim that all the food I eat is   
   >>>>>>>/contaminated/   
   >>>>>>>with it.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>  · Vegans contribute to the deaths of animals  [...]   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>See ...[Goo] arguing against veganism.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> "People who don't want them to exist should be "vegans".   
   >>>> "Vegans" aren't interested in contributing to lives of any   
   >>>> quality for farm animals:  they don't want there to be farm   
   >>>> animals." - Goo   
   >>>>   
   >>>> "Life "justifying" death is the stupidest goddamned thing   
   >>>> you ever wrote." - Goo   
   >>>>   
   >>>> "NO livestock benefit from being farmed." - Goo   
   >>>>   
   >>>> "No farm animals benefit from farming." - Goo   
   >>>>   
   >>>> "There is nothing to "appreciate" about the livestock "getting   
   >>>> to experience life" - Goo   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>See how he ALWAYS does.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> ""vegans" are interested in their influence on animals,   
   >>>> Fuckwit.  They want everyone to be "vegan", which would   
   >>>> mean no animals raised for food and other products. That's   
   >>>> an influence, whether you like it or not." - Goo   
   >>>>   
   >>>> ""Veg*nism" certainly doesn't harm any living farm animals.   
   >>>> And if everyone adopted "veg*nism", no farm animals would   
   >>>> live in bad conditions." - Goo   
   >>>>   
   >>>> ""Getting to experience life" has no significance." - Goo   
   >>>>   
   >>>> "the "getting to experience life" deserves NO moral   
   >>>> consideration, and is given none; the deliberate killing   
   >>>> of animals for use by humans DOES deserve moral   
   >>>> consideration, and gets it." - Goo   
   >>>>   
   >>>> ""giving them life" does NOT mitigate the wrongness of   
   >>>> their deaths" - Goo   
   >>>>   
   >>>> "Causing animals to be born and "get to experience life"   
   >>>> (in Fuckwit's wretched prose) is no mitigation at all for   
   >>>> killing them." - Goo   
   >>>>   
   >>>> "When considering your food choices ethically, assign   
   >>>> ZERO weight to the morally empty fact that choosing to   
   >>>> eat meat causes animals to be bred into existence." - Goo   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>See how you continue to insist that he a  "eliminationist".   
   >>>>   
   >>>> ""giving them life" does NOT mitigate the wrongness of   
   >>>> their deaths" - Goo   
   >>>>   
   >>>> "the nutritionally unnecessary choice deliberately to kill an animal   
   >>>> ALWAYS causes a moral harm greater in magnitude than . . . the   
   >>>> moral "benefit" realized by the animal in existing at all" - Goo   
   >>>>   
   >>>> "the moral harm caused by killing them is greater in magnitude   
   >>>> than ANY benefit they might derive from "decent lives" - Goo   
   >>>>   
   >>>> "The meaningless fact-lette that farm animals "get to   
   >>>> experience life" deserves no consideration when asking   
   >>>> whether or not it is moral to kill them.  Zero." - Goo   
   >>>>   
   >>>> "no matter how "decent" the conditions are, the deliberate killing   
   >>>> of the animals erases all of it." - Goo   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>See how that shows what a fool you are.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> "you MUST believe that it makes moral sense not to raise the   
   >>>> animals as the only way to prevent the harm that results from   
   >>>> killing them." - Goo   
   >>>>   
   >>>> "Humans could change it. They could change it by ending it." - Goo   
   >>>>   
   >>>> "There is no "selfishness" involved in wanting farm animals not to   
   >>>> exist as a step towards creating a more just world." - Goo   
   >>>   
   >>>Thanks for such a clear demonstration of your blinding stupidity.   
   >>   
   >>    HOW do you want us to try pretending that Goo's claims are my   
   >> stupidity, do   
   >> you have any clue at all?   
   >   
   >Thanks for   
      
       Then YOU are the moron for trying to pretend Goo's claims have anything to   
   do with me, when you have no reason to try to pretend backing the stupid idea   
   up   
   with.   
      
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