XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, talk.politics.animals, alt   
   food.vegan.science   
      
   On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 22:12:54 -0700, George Plimpton  wrote:   
      
   >It's just a hideously ugly fake word on its face, and the loathsome   
   >ideas and false beliefs encapsulated in it are even more hideously ugly.   
      
   "People who don't want them to exist should be "vegans"." - Goo   
      
   ""vegans" are interested in their influence on animals,   
   Fuckwit.  They want everyone to be "vegan", which would   
   mean no animals raised for food and other products. That's   
   an influence, whether you like it or not." - Goo   
      
   logically one MUST conclude that not raising them in the first place is the   
   ethically superior choice." - Goo   
      
   ""Veg*nism" certainly doesn't harm any living farm animals.   
   And if everyone adopted "veg*nism", no farm animals would   
   live in bad conditions." - Goo   
      
   you MUST believe that it makes moral sense not   
   to raise the animals as the only way to prevent the harm that   
   results from killing them." - Goo   
      
   "the moral harm caused by killing them is greater in magnitude   
   than ANY benefit they might derive from "decent lives" - Goo   
      
   ""giving them life" does NOT mitigate the wrongness of   
   their deaths" - Goo   
      
   "no matter how "decent" the conditions are, the deliberate killing   
   of the animals erases all of it." - Goo   
      
   "Humans could change it. They could change it by ending it." - Goo   
      
   "There is no "selfishness" involved in wanting farm animals not to   
   exist as a step towards creating a more just world." - Goo   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)