XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, talk.politics.animals, alt   
   food.vegan.science   
      
   On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 13:45:28 -0700, "Dutch"  wrote:   
      
   >   
   > wrote in message news:om1fm79qucq17kp0f25ad6jmq6fukp0ijv@4ax.com...   
   >> On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 18:25:02 -0700, "Dutch"  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> wrote in message news:8f6vl7t58a8b5hup82daqci7rtodia1nv5@4ax.com...   
   >>>> On Fri, 9 Mar 2012 13:07:32 -0800, "Dutch"  wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> wrote in message   
   >>>>>news:po8il75oju16vkc4ot4cust6bknqie2c96@4ax.com...   
   >>>>>> On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 13:57:21 -0800, "Dutch"  wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> wrote in message   
   >>>>>>>news:1g5dl71ri9t5mok0io0hg6uj9sapuoktm4@4ax.com...   
   >>>>>>>> On Tue, 06 Mar 2012 12:55:32 +0000, Glen  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>On 06/03/2012 08:57, Rupert wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> On Mar 6, 5:08 am, Goo wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Woopert, "glen" here is a "vegan" who claims his diet doesn't   
   >>>>>>>>>>> kill   
   >>>>>>>>>>> *any*   
   >>>>>>>>>>> animals.  What do you have to say to him, Woopert?   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> He is incorrect.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>I have never denied that animals die during crop production. What I   
   >>>>>>>>>deny is ... [Goo's] baseless claim that all the food I eat is   
   >>>>>>>>>/contaminated/   
   >>>>>>>>>with it.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>  · Vegans contribute to the deaths of animals  [...]   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>See ...[Goo] arguing against veganism.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> "People who don't want them to exist should be "vegans".   
   >>>>>> "Vegans" aren't interested in contributing to lives of any   
   >>>>>> quality for farm animals:  they don't want there to be farm   
   >>>>>> animals." - Goo   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> "Life "justifying" death is the stupidest goddamned thing   
   >>>>>> you ever wrote." - Goo   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> "NO livestock benefit from being farmed." - Goo   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> "No farm animals benefit from farming." - Goo   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> "There is nothing to "appreciate" about the livestock "getting   
   >>>>>> to experience life" - Goo   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>See how he ALWAYS does.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> ""vegans" are interested in their influence on animals,   
   >>>>>> Fuckwit.  They want everyone to be "vegan", which would   
   >>>>>> mean no animals raised for food and other products. That's   
   >>>>>> an influence, whether you like it or not." - Goo   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> ""Veg*nism" certainly doesn't harm any living farm animals.   
   >>>>>> And if everyone adopted "veg*nism", no farm animals would   
   >>>>>> live in bad conditions." - Goo   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> ""Getting to experience life" has no significance." - Goo   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> "the "getting to experience life" deserves NO moral   
   >>>>>> consideration, and is given none; the deliberate killing   
   >>>>>> of animals for use by humans DOES deserve moral   
   >>>>>> consideration, and gets it." - Goo   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> ""giving them life" does NOT mitigate the wrongness of   
   >>>>>> their deaths" - Goo   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> "Causing animals to be born and "get to experience life"   
   >>>>>> (in Fuckwit's wretched prose) is no mitigation at all for   
   >>>>>> killing them." - Goo   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> "When considering your food choices ethically, assign   
   >>>>>> ZERO weight to the morally empty fact that choosing to   
   >>>>>> eat meat causes animals to be bred into existence." - Goo   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>See how you continue to insist that he a  "eliminationist".   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> ""giving them life" does NOT mitigate the wrongness of   
   >>>>>> their deaths" - Goo   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> "the nutritionally unnecessary choice deliberately to kill an animal   
   >>>>>> ALWAYS causes a moral harm greater in magnitude than . . . the   
   >>>>>> moral "benefit" realized by the animal in existing at all" - Goo   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> "the moral harm caused by killing them is greater in magnitude   
   >>>>>> than ANY benefit they might derive from "decent lives" - Goo   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> "The meaningless fact-lette that farm animals "get to   
   >>>>>> experience life" deserves no consideration when asking   
   >>>>>> whether or not it is moral to kill them.  Zero." - Goo   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> "no matter how "decent" the conditions are, the deliberate killing   
   >>>>>> of the animals erases all of it." - Goo   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>See how that shows what a fool you are.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> "you MUST believe that it makes moral sense not to raise the   
   >>>>>> animals as the only way to prevent the harm that results from   
   >>>>>> killing them." - Goo   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> "Humans could change it. They could change it by ending it." - Goo   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> "There is no "selfishness" involved in wanting farm animals not to   
   >>>>>> exist as a step towards creating a more just world." - Goo   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>Thanks for such a clear demonstration of your blinding stupidity.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>    HOW do you want us to try pretending that Goo's claims are my   
   >>>> stupidity, do   
   >>>> you have any clue at all?   
   >>>   
   >>>Thanks for   
   >>   
   >>    Then YOU are the moron for trying to pretend Goo's claims have anything   
   >> to   
   >> do with me, when you have no reason to try to pretend backing the stupid   
   >> idea up   
   >> with.   
   >   
   >It is YOU who listed all the quotes, and it is YOU who has misconstrued and   
   >misinterpreted all of them.   
      
       The Goober himself said they were all true. Do you think he really   
   disagrees   
   with himself about that?   
      
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