XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, talk.politics.animals, alt   
   food.vegan.science   
   From: me@privacy.net   
      
   On 23/03/2012 17:44, George Plimpton wrote:   
   > On 3/23/2012 10:20 AM, Derek wrote:   
   >> On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 08:56:09 -0700, George Plimpton wrote:   
      
   >>> The   
   >>> belief that one is making a meaningful reduction in animal suffering   
   >>> merely by *not* putting animal parts in one's mouth has been   
   >>> demonstrated to be illogical and false.   
   >>   
   >> Then, to paraphrase, "The belief that one is making a meaningful   
   >> reduction in [pollution] merely by *not* putting [garbage] in one's   
   >> [garbage bin] has been demonstrated to be illogical and false."   
      
   *BUSTED*   
      
   > I never claimed that recycling necessarily reduces pollution.  What it   
   > does, unquestionably, is change the destination of the waste.  If you   
   > consider putting waste into a landfill (rubbish tip where you live) a   
   > form of pollution,   
      
   It is. You know it is. Dumping garbage is pollution.   
      
   >then necessarily recycling reduces that kind of   
   > pollution.  Now, I can't say with assurance that it reduces total   
   > pollution, because when the materials are reprocessed, that certainly   
   > creates more industrial pollution.  Whether or not the pollution caused   
   > by reprocessing the recyclables is less than, the same as or greater   
   > than the pollution caused by processing virgin raw materials to make   
   > stuff, I can't say.  Intuitively, I think it's probably less, but I   
   > don't know.   
      
   Vegans intuitively hold the belief that one is making a meaningful reduction   
   in animal suffering   
   merely by *not* putting animal parts in one's mouth. But they're not entitled   
   to believe they're   
   better, according to your rules. You intuitively hold the belief that one is   
   making a meaningful   
   reduction in pollution merely by *not* putting garbage in one's garbage bin.   
   But you're fully   
   entitled to believe you're better, according to the different rules you   
   follow. It obvious that you   
   have one rule for vegans while following a different rule. You measure your   
   virtue by comparing your   
   garbage bin to other's garbage bins, but you don't allow vegans to measure   
   their virtue by comparing   
   their shopping cart to other's shopping carts. St. Derek reveals your double   
   standard here and   
   proves that is you who is arrogant and egotistical, not the vegans you're too   
   keen to malign.   
      
   >> I know you're a keen on recycling what you can. Are you going to stop   
   >> recycling now? Do you think that maybe your neighbours believe you   
   >> think you're better than them because you recycle?   
   >   
   > In terms of my own beliefs, I believe I *am* better for keeping material   
   > out of landfills.   
      
   Better than who, the unethical scumbags who don't recycle? So that's your game   
   is it? You *DO* think   
   you're more virtuous, *better* than others by comparing your efforts to reduce   
   something you believe   
   is bad to the efforts, or lack of, of others. You're a hypocrite. An arrogant   
   and egotistical   
   hypocrite. Start believing in your own bullshit before telling others to live   
   by it.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)