XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, talk.politics.animals, alt   
   food.vegan.science   
      
   On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 13:53:41 -0700, Goo wrote:   
      
   >On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 16:21:49 -0400, dh@. wrote:   
   >   
   >>On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 16:36:30 -0700, Goo wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 15:47:38 -0400, dh@. wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 22:12:54 -0700, Goo wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>It's just a hideously ugly fake word on its face, and the loathsome   
   >>>>>ideas and false beliefs encapsulated in it are even more hideously ugly.   
   >>>   
   >>>Below are all true.   
   >>   
   >>    Then you're saying that some people SHOULD become vegans, Goo.   
   >   
   >No   
      
       You say so specifically you stupid Goober.   
      
   >, I'm saying it's a logically consistent choice for some people who   
   >have irrational and wrong notions about animals.   
      
       You're saying that some people SHOULD become vegans, Goo.   
      
   >>>>"People who don't want them to exist should be "vegans"." - Goo   
   >>>>   
   >>>>""vegans" are interested in their influence on animals,   
   >>>>Fuckwit.  They want everyone to be "vegan", which would   
   >>>>mean no animals raised for food and other products. That's   
   >>>>an influence, whether you like it or not." - Goo   
   >>>>   
   >>>>logically one MUST conclude that not raising them in the first place is the   
   >>>>ethically superior choice." - Goo   
   >>>>   
   >>>>""Veg*nism" certainly doesn't harm any living farm animals.   
   >>>>And if everyone adopted "veg*nism", no farm animals would   
   >>>>live in bad conditions." - Goo   
   >>>>   
   >>>>you MUST believe that it makes moral sense not   
   >>>>to raise the animals as the only way to prevent the harm that   
   >>>>results from killing them." - Goo   
   >>>>   
   >>>>"the moral harm caused by killing them is greater in magnitude   
   >>>>than ANY benefit they might derive from "decent lives" - Goo   
   >>>>   
   >>>>""giving them life" does NOT mitigate the wrongness of   
   >>>>their deaths" - Goo   
   >>>>   
   >>>>"no matter how "decent" the conditions are, the deliberate killing   
   >>>>of the animals erases all of it." - Goo   
   >>>>   
   >>>>"Humans could change it. They could change it by ending it." - Goo   
   >>>>   
   >>>>"There is no "selfishness" involved in wanting farm animals not to   
   >>>>exist as a step towards creating a more just world." - Goo   
      
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