XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, talk.politics.animals, alt   
   food.vegan.science   
      
   On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 11:46:02 -0700, the Goober wrote:   
      
   >On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 14:35:01 -0400, dh@. wrote:   
   >   
   >>On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 00:04:25 -0700, Goo wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 18:04:58 -0400, dh@. wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 13:53:41 -0700, Goo wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 16:21:49 -0400, dh@. wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 16:36:30 -0700, Goo wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 15:47:38 -0400, dh@. wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 22:12:54 -0700, Goo wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>It's just a hideously ugly fake word on its face, and the loathsome   
   >>>>>>>>>ideas and false beliefs encapsulated in it are even more hideously   
   ugly.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>Below are all true.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>    Then you're saying that some people SHOULD become vegans, Goo.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>No   
   >>>>   
   >>>>    You say so specifically you stupid Goober.   
   >>>   
   >>>No.   
   >>   
   >>    Here's a clue for you Goo: When you say some people should be vegans,   
   you're   
   >>saying some people should be vegans.   
   >>   
   >>>>>, I'm saying it's a logically consistent choice for some people who   
   >>>>>have irrational and wrong notions about animals.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>    You're saying that some people SHOULD become vegans, Goo.   
   >>>   
   >>>No.   
   >>   
   >>    Here's a clue for you Goo: When you say some people should be vegans,   
   you're   
   >>saying some people should be vegans.   
   >   
   >No.   
      
       Yes Goob though it may be too much for you to comprehend, when you say some   
   people should be vegans, you're saying some people should be vegans.   
      
   >What I say is that "veganism" is a logically consistent choice   
      
       Why do you want people to believe that Goo?   
      
   >>>>>>>>"People who don't want them to exist should be "vegans"." - Goo   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>""vegans" are interested in their influence on animals,   
   >>>>>>>>Fuckwit.  They want everyone to be "vegan", which would   
   >>>>>>>>mean no animals raised for food and other products. That's   
   >>>>>>>>an influence, whether you like it or not." - Goo   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>logically one MUST conclude that not raising them in the first place   
   is the   
   >>>>>>>>ethically superior choice." - Goo   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>""Veg*nism" certainly doesn't harm any living farm animals.   
   >>>>>>>>And if everyone adopted "veg*nism", no farm animals would   
   >>>>>>>>live in bad conditions." - Goo   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>you MUST believe that it makes moral sense not   
   >>>>>>>>to raise the animals as the only way to prevent the harm that   
   >>>>>>>>results from killing them." - Goo   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>"the moral harm caused by killing them is greater in magnitude   
   >>>>>>>>than ANY benefit they might derive from "decent lives" - Goo   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>""giving them life" does NOT mitigate the wrongness of   
   >>>>>>>>their deaths" - Goo   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>"no matter how "decent" the conditions are, the deliberate killing   
   >>>>>>>>of the animals erases all of it." - Goo   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>"Humans could change it. They could change it by ending it." - Goo   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>"There is no "selfishness" involved in wanting farm animals not to   
   >>>>>>>>exist as a step towards creating a more just world." - Goo   
      
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