XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, alt.philosophy, talk.politics.animals   
   XPost: alt.politics   
   From: Z@z.net   
      
   In article , notgenx32   
   @yahoo.com says...   
   > Only humans are capable of conceiving of the   
   > interests of members of other species.  To say that we /must/ is itself   
   > "speciesist."   
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   great assumption given this idea of 'only humans are capable of...' has   
   been specifically defeated more than once. Some examples being abstract   
   thought, tool making, altruistic behavior and grief.   
      
   Given ...   
      
   > the members of all species pursue their   
   > interests, as individual entities and as members of their species,   
      
   then the "Animal rights activists" are not in violation.   
      
   > The passivists cannot make a case as to *why* the interests of members   
   > of other species ought to be given the same moral weight as the   
   > interests of members of our own species.   
      
   Read: "The passivists cannot make a case that I will hear or accept".   
      
   For instance, the case was made thousands of years ago on the moral   
   weight, as you call it, of all life. You may not agree with any of this   
   but you also can not make it out to be a fringe element or unsupported   
   principle in human belief and hope to keep your position within reason.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)