XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, talk.politics.animals, alt   
   food.vegan.science   
   From: usenet.email@gmail.com   
      
   On Mon, 09 Apr 2012 17:01:31 -0400, dh@. wrote:   
      
   >On Tue, 03 Apr 2012 13:13:54 -0700, Goo wrote:   
   >   
   >>On Tue, 03 Apr 2012 14:49:07 -0400, dh@. wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 12:47:27 -0700, Goo wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>      Wilson Woods:   
   >>>>      They answer, "It is morally wrong, in an absolute sense   
   >>>>      - unjust, in other words - if humans kill animals they   
   >>>>      don't need to kill, i.e. not in self defense." There's   
   >>>>      your answer.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>So, the mangled pseudo-quote was not anyone speaking on his own behalf,   
   >>>   
   >>>    You told us the way you feel about it   
      
   No, he explained how vegans feel about it. It's more than obvious who   
   he was referring to when you read his entire quote.   
      
   >>>>> you MUST believe that it makes moral sense not   
   >>>>> to raise the animals as the only way to prevent the harm that   
   >>>>> results from killing them."   
   >>>>   
   >>>>Actual statement:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>      If you are an "animal rights activist", and you believe   
   >>>>      that the nutritionally unnecessary choice deliberately   
   >>>>      to kill an animal ALWAYS causes a moral harm greater in   
   >>>>      magnitude than either the potential moral "loss" that   
   >>>>      results from not raising the animal in the first place,   
   >>>>      or the moral "benefit" realized by the animal in   
   >>>>      existing at all, then you MUST believe that it makes   
   >>>>      moral sense not to raise the animals as the only way to   
   >>>>      prevent the harm that results from killing them.   
   >>>   
   >>>    Goober we know you DO believe that:   
   >>>   
   >>>the nutritionally unnecessary choice deliberately   
   >>>to kill an animal ALWAYS causes a moral harm greater in   
   >>>magnitude than . . . the moral "benefit" realized by the animal in existing   
   at   
   >>>all.   
   >>>   
   >>>"A high-welfare life is not a "benefit" compared   
   >>>with never existing." - Goo   
   >>>   
   >>>"NO livestock benefit from being farmed." - Goo   
   >>>   
   >>>"the moral harm caused by killing them is greater in   
   >>>magnitude than ANY benefit they might derive from   
   >>>"decent lives"" - Goo   
   >>>   
   >>>"animals *DO NOT* benefit from being farmed, Goo." - Goo   
   >>>   
   >>>"No farm animals benefit from farming." - Goo   
   >>>   
   >>>"Life is not a "benefit" to livestock or any other animals." - Goo   
   >>>   
   >>>"it is not "better" that the animal exist, no matter   
   >>>its quality of live" - Goo   
   >>>   
   >>>"No animal "benefits" from coming into existence." - Goo   
   >>>   
   >>>No animal is "better off" as a result of existing, versus   
   >>>never existing." - Goo   
   >>>   
   >>>"getting to experience life" is not a benefit." - Goo   
   >>>   
   >>>"No zygotes, animals, people, or any other living thing   
   >>>benefits from coming into existence." - Goo   
   >>>   
   >>>"It is not "better" in any moral way, and not in *any* way   
   >>>at all to the animal itself, that the animal exists." - Goo   
   >>>   
   >>>"NO animals benefit from farming" - Goo   
   >>>   
   >>>"Coming into existence is not a benefit to them:  it does   
   >>>not make them better off than before" - Goo   
   >>>   
   >>>"Being born is not a benefit in any way.  It can't be." - Goo   
   >>>   
   >>>"Life -per se- NEVER is a "benefit" to animals or even   
   >>>to humans " - Goo   
   >>>   
   >>>"It is not "better" to exist than not to exist" - Goo   
   >>>   
   >>>"getting to experience life" is not a benefit." - Goo   
   >>>   
   >>>"Coming into existence is not a benefit for any animal" - Goo   
   >>>   
   >>>"I *know* animals don't "benefit" from "getting to   
   >>>experience life".  They don't because there is no   
   >>>alternative.  They don't because they don't care   
   >>>that they "get to experience life".  They don't   
   >>>because they can't conceive of the idea of "benefit"" - Goo   
   >>>   
   >>>"Existence per se is not a "benefit" to ANY living thing" - Goo   
   >>>   
   >>>"Then livestock animals' existence is not a "benefit"   
   >>>to them" - Goo   
   >>>   
   >>>""life" CANNOT be a "benefit" to animals" - Goo   
   >>>   
   >>>"life itself is NOT a benefit at all. " - Goo   
   >>>   
   >>>"An entity's coming into existence is not a benefit to   
   >>>that entity." - Goo   
   >>   
   >>No.   
   >   
   >    So you now believe animals do benefit from their existence   
      
   No, he doesn't, and no amount of desperate part-quoting from you will   
   ever convince anyone that he does and that you're not a deliberate   
   liar, filthy Harrison.   
      
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