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   XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, alt.philosophy, talk.politics.animals   
   XPost: alt.politics   
      
   On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 23:49:28 -0700 (PDT), Rupert    
   wrote:   
      
   >On Apr 11, 7:39 pm, dh@. wrote:   
   >> On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 00:37:10 -0700 (PDT), Rupert    
   >> wrote:   
   >> >On Apr 9, 10:54 pm, dh@. wrote:   
   >> >> On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 10:06:34 -0700, notgen...@yahoo.com wrote:   
   >> >> >"Animal rights activists" - actually, most are "passivists", doing   
   >> >> >nothing more than talk - commonly invoke "speciesism" to try to explain   
   >> >> >why human use of animals is wrong.  This is meaningless.  First of all,   
   >> >> >all species are "speciesist":  the members of all species pursue their   
   >> >> >interests, as individual entities and as members of their species, with   
   >> >> >no regard for the interests of other species.   
   >>   
   >> >>     That's for sure. If humans were not speciesist we could no longer   
   survive   
   >> >> since rodents, bugs and germs would eventually wipe us out. Early humans   
   also   
   >> >> would not have been able to defend themselves from predators if they   
   didn't care   
   >> >> more for themselves than they do for the predators.   
   >> >> . . .   
   >>   
   >> >> >The passivists cannot make a case as to *why* the interests of members   
   >> >> >of other species ought to be given the same moral weight as the   
   >> >> >interests of members of our own species.   
   >>   
   >> >>     Someone who honestly felt that way would be insane and a danger to   
   society.   
   >> >> They would feel no worse about hitting a child with their car than they   
   would a   
   >> >> snake, which would truly be insane from my pov.   
   >>   
   >> >That does not follow.   
   >>   
   >>     That it would be insane from my pov? Or that if they were not   
   speciesist it   
   >> would apply to snakes as well as to whatever else, if anything, or   
   >> everything...?   
   >   
   >Being non-speciesist does not require to get as upset about the death   
   >of a snake as about the death of a human child.   
      
       Sure it does. Why would you even want to  pretend otherwise, when you   
   should   
   be proud that it IS that way?   
      
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