XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, alt.philosophy, talk.politics.animals   
   XPost: alt.politics   
      
   On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 08:46:25 -0700, Goo wrote:   
      
   >I observe that no one gives equal moral consideration, including those   
   >who say we ought to do so.   
      
   "There is no "consideration" to be given." - Goo   
      
   "It is irrelevant what I think *is* important enough to   
   merit consideration." - Goo   
      
   "When considering your food choices ethically, assign   
   ZERO weight to the morally empty fact that choosing to   
   eat meat causes animals to be bred into existence." - Goo   
      
   "You consider that it "got to experience life" to be some kind   
   of mitigation of the evil of killing it." - Goo   
      
   "The meaningless fact-lette that farm animals "get to   
   experience life" deserves no consideration when asking   
   whether or not it is moral to kill them.  Zero." - Goo   
      
   "the moral harm caused by killing them is greater in magnitude   
   than ANY benefit they might derive from "decent lives" - Goo   
      
   ""giving them life" does NOT mitigate the wrongness of   
   their deaths" - Goo   
      
   "Causing animals to be born and "get to experience life"   
   (in Fuckwit's wretched prose) is no mitigation at all for   
   killing them." - Goo   
      
   "Fact:  IF it is wrong to kill animals deliberately for food, then   
   having deliberately caused them to live in the first place does   
   not mitigate the wrong in any way." - Goo   
      
   "Life "justifying" death is the   
   stupidest goddamned thing you ever wrote." - Goo   
      
   "no matter how "decent" the conditions are, the deliberate killing   
   of the animals erases all of it." - Goo   
      
   ""appreciation for decent AW" doesn't *MEAN* anything" - Goo   
      
   ""appreciation for decent AW" doesn't mean anything." - Goo   
      
   "NO livestock benefit from being farmed." - Goo   
      
   "No farm animals benefit from farming." - Goo   
      
   "Existing animals don't figure into it in any   
   way." - Goo.   
      
   "The only way that the concept "benefit from existence"   
   can begin to make sense semantically is if one assumes   
   a pre-existent state" - Goo   
      
   "We ARE NOT, and NEVER WERE, talking about whether   
   existing animals "benefit" from living." - Goo   
      
   "The topic is not and never has been whether or not   
   existing animals enjoy living." - Goo   
      
   "Whether or not some entity enjoys life once it does exist   
   is *NOT* the topic." - Goo   
      
   "coming into existence didn't make me better off than   
   I was before." - Goo   
      
   "it is not "better" that the animal exist, no matter   
   its quality of live" - Goo   
      
   "It is not "better" in any moral way, and not in *any* way   
   at all to the animal itself, that the animal exists." - Goo   
      
   "Being born is not a benefit in any way.  It can't be." - Goo   
      
   ""giving them life" does NOT mitigate the wrongness of   
   their deaths" - Goo   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)