XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, alt.agnosticism, alt.atheism   
   XPost: sci.skeptic   
      
   On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 23:24:20 -0400, Olrik  wrote:   
      
   >Le 2012-07-03 12:42, dh@. a écrit :   
   >> On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 12:50:12 -0700 (PDT), Rupert    
   >> wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On Jul 2, 9:31 am, Delvin Benet  wrote:   
   >>>> There is nothing inherently unethical about eating meat.   
   >>>   
   >>> Modern meat production inflicts considerable suffering on animals.   
   >   
   >I want pigs to lead a stupendously happy life until they become bacon.   
      
       Pigs are sort of a sad case and unfortunately I don't believe many of them   
   have much positive value to their lives. They live on concrete and don't get to   
   root and search for food, which is a strong instinct in them. They do get to   
   satisfy that to some degree by nosing around in their feed though. Boredom is a   
   big factor for pigs because they are smart being omnivores, so they have   
   stronger urges to do something than grazing beasts who are content to just   
   stand   
   around and eat, or lie down and chew cud. They also tend to be aggressive   
   making   
   things hard on each other.   
      
       On a happier note as I've mentioned to these eliminationists in aaev, many   
   livestock animals do appear to live decent lives of positive value...pretty   
   much   
   all of them except caged commercial laying hens and maybe most pigs, imo. Most   
   dairy cows seem to have good lives, though veal tend to get a bad time of it.   
   Most beef cattle seem to have decent lives, spending the first several months   
   nursing from and then grazing with their mothers. Later when they're sent to   
   the   
   feel lots they get to eat a lot of grain, which is what cattle like to do most   
   of all. Broiler chickens seem to have decent lives in general, though short,   
   and   
   their parents are kept in cage free houses and live for a couple of years. The   
   parents of commercial laying hens are also kept cage free because cages make   
   for   
   poor breeding results, but unfortunately most commercial laying hens in the US   
   are kept in cages which are imo very much overly restrictive for any type   
   creature, as well as encouraging to a horrible type of violence and suffering.   
   I   
   encourage you to buy cage free eggs, free range or not doesn't really matter,   
   but cage free of any sort works against the horrible cage method of commercial   
   egg production. I'm certainly not the only egg consumer opposed to it either.   
   Some places in Europe have made it illegal to use the cage method, and there's   
   no doubt in my mind it was done for good reason. I would like to see it ended   
   in   
   the US voluntarily, but that could not happen unless enough consumers become   
   opposed to the cage method and pay the extra price for cage free. That's what I   
   do, and again I encourage you to buy them in oppositition to the cage method.   
   They're more expensive then cage eggs--sometimes twice as much--but to me it's   
   worth it to spend that little bit of extra money against those damn horrible   
   cages.   
      
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