XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, alt.agnosticism, alt.atheism   
   XPost: sci.skeptic   
      
   On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 20:35:51 -0700, Dutch  wrote:   
      
   >On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 14:24:08 -0400, dh@. wrote:   
   >   
   >>On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 12:20:52 -0700, Dutch  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>dh@. wrote:   
   >>>> On Thu, 12 Jul 2012 13:30:08 -0700, Dutch lied:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> dh@. wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>       I showed that you only want to consider bad things because and   
   only because   
   >>>>>> considering positive aspects for millions of livestock animals works   
   against the   
   >>>>>> elimination objective, Goo.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Aside from battery hens, *you* only want to consider the good. You're   
   >>>>> just as nonobjective as ARAs, in fact you're worse.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>      There's no way that's true, so you're lying blatantly again. Not   
   only are   
   >>>> you lying blatantly, but you also have no idea which other lives I might   
   believe   
   >>>> are most often of negative value, if any.   
   >>>   
   >>>So list them.   
   >>   
   >>    For one thing there are some who have lives of negative value in every   
   group   
   >>including groups where the vast majority of the animals appear to have lives   
   of   
   >>positive value, like broiler chickens and grass raised cattle. Most of them   
   >>appear to have decent lives, but some don't for whatever particular reasons.   
   >>Then in other groups the negative aspect is probably greater than the   
   positive,   
   >>like with caged egg producers and probably sows in gestation and farrowing   
   >>crates. However I'm also aware that though farrowing crates probably cause   
   life   
   >>to be of negative or at least reduced value for the sows, they make life of   
   much   
   >>greater value for the young pigs. You people can't appreciate such details,   
   but   
   >>some of us are able to.   
   >   
   >   
      
       Those are just more things you people hate to think about because they   
   don't   
   favor elimination.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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