XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, alt.agnosticism, alt.atheism   
   XPost: sci.skeptic   
      
   On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 12:09:06 -0700, Dutch  wrote:   
      
   >dh@. wrote:   
   >> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 20:34:44 -0700, Dutch  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 14:22:43 -0400, dh@. wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 20:39:09 -0700, Dutch  wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> The fact is that humans are natural predators, and eating meat is a   
   >>>>>> normal life experience for most people.  The problem is that many food   
   >>>>>> animals are raised and slaughtered without regard for their comfort   
   >>>>>> and pain, which I suspect is the crux of the issue.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> I agree with everything you said, except that animal welfare is not part   
   >>>>> of the issue in the debate between dh@ and everyone else. He tries to   
   >>>>> make it appear that it is, but that's just one of his smokescreens.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>     That's a blatant lie since I refer to animals who have lives of   
   negative   
   >>>> value as well as those of positive value.   
   >>>   
   >>> Nope, it is the truth.   
   >>   
   >>      Obviously I refer to animals who have lives of negative value as well   
   as   
   >> those of positive value.   
   >   
   >Animal welfare is not what your position is about, that is a smokescreen.   
      
       I encourage people to appreciate when decent AW AND OTHER THINGS result in   
   lives of positive value for millions of livestock animals, and you discourage   
   people from appreciating it.   
      
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