XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, alt.agnosticism, alt.atheism   
   XPost: sci.skeptic   
      
   On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 18:51:59 -0700, Goo wrote:   
      
   >On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 13:43:45 -0400, dh@. wrote:   
   >   
   >>On Thu, 12 Jul 2012 13:53:54 -0700, Goo wussiley puled:   
   >>   
   >>>On Thu, 12 Jul 2012 15:05:20 -0400, dh@. wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 13:39:24 -0700, Goo wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 16:05:06 -0400, dh@. wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>On Thu, 05 Jul 2012 15:39:22 -0700, Goo wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>On Thu, 05 Jul 2012 13:14:14 -0400, dh@. pointed out:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>    Goo doesn't believe any animals benefit from living and it's all   
   the same to   
   >>>>>>>>him regardless of the quality of their lives:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>"it is not "better" that the animal exist, no matter   
   >>>>>>>>its quality of live" - Goo   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>"It is not "better" in any moral way, and not in *any* way   
   >>>>>>>>at all to the animal itself, that the animal exists." - Goo   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>"It is not "good" for the animals that they exist, no matter   
   >>>>>>>>how pleasant the condition of their existence." - Goo   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>"It is not "good for them" to exist, no matter how pleasant   
   >>>>>>>>the existence." - Goo   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>"Life "justifying" death is the stupidest goddamned thing you   
   >>>>>>>>ever wrote." - Goo   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>"NO livestock benefit from being farmed." - Goo   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>"No farm animals benefit from farming." - Goo   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>"There is nothing to "appreciate" about the livestock "getting   
   >>>>>>>>to experience life" - Goo   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>"Shut the fuck up about "consideration" for "their lives"" - Goo   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>""Getting to experience life" has no significance." - Goo   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>"the "getting to experience life" deserves NO moral   
   >>>>>>>>consideration, and is given none; the deliberate killing   
   >>>>>>>>of animals for use by humans DOES deserve moral   
   >>>>>>>>consideration, and gets it." - Goo   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>""giving them life" does NOT mitigate the wrongness of   
   >>>>>>>>their deaths" - Goo   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>"Causing animals to be born and "get to experience life"   
   >>>>>>>>(in Fuckwit's wretched prose) is no mitigation at all for   
   >>>>>>>>killing them." - Goo   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>"You consider that it "got to experience life" to be some kind   
   >>>>>>>>of mitigation of the evil of killing it." - Goo   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>"The meaningless fact-lette that farm animals "get to   
   >>>>>>>>experience life" deserves no consideration when asking   
   >>>>>>>>whether or not it is moral to kill them.  Zero." - Goo   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>The statement below is mangled from the original, and so is not a quote.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>    If you want people to think you disagree with yourself about the quote   
   below   
   >>>>Goo then YOU need to try to explain how you think you do. Otherwise Goober   
   we'll   
   >>>>be left with nothing else to believe other than that you do agree with   
   yourself   
   >>>>about all of it.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>>>>"the nutritionally unnecessary choice deliberately to kill an animal   
   >>>>>>>>ALWAYS causes a moral harm greater in magnitude than . . . the   
   >>>>>>>>moral "benefit" realized by the animal in existing at all" - Goo   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>The statement below is mangled from the original, and so is not a quote.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>    If you want people to think you disagree with yourself about the quote   
   below   
   >>>>Goo then YOU need to try to explain how you think you do. Otherwise Goober   
   we'll   
   >>>>be left with nothing else to believe other than that you do agree with   
   yourself   
   >>>>about all of it.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>>>>"the moral harm caused by killing them is greater in magnitude   
   >>>>>>>>than ANY benefit they might derive from "decent lives" - Goo   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>The statement below is mangled from the original, and so is not a quote.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>    If you want people to think you disagree with yourself about the quote   
   below   
   >>>>Goo then YOU need to try to explain how you think you do. Otherwise Goober   
   we'll   
   >>>>be left with nothing else to believe other than that you do agree with   
   yourself   
   >>>>about all of it.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>>>>"no matter how "decent" the conditions are, the deliberate killing   
   >>>>>>>>of the animals erases all of it." - Goo   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>The statement below is mangled from the original, and so is not a quote.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>    If you want people to think you disagree with yourself about the quote   
   below   
   >>>>Goo then YOU need to try to explain how you think you do. Otherwise Goober   
   we'll   
   >>>>be left with nothing else to believe other than that you do agree with   
   yourself   
   >>>>about all of it.   
   >>>   
   >>>It's a forgery - not a quote.   
   >>   
   >>    If you want people to think you disagree with yourself about your own   
   quotes   
   >>Goo then YOU need to try to explain how you think you do. Otherwise Goober   
   we'll   
   >>be left with nothing else to believe other than that you do agree with   
   yourself   
   >>about all of it.   
   >   
   >It's a forgery, Fuckwit.  Proved.   
      
       It's YOUR quote Goo, but if you want to pretend it's a forgery then try   
   presenting some reason to think so. Also Goob, if you want people to think you   
   think you disagree with yourself about any of your above quotes, then YOU need   
   to try explaining how you want them to think you do. Try now Goo. GO!:   
      
      
   (correct prediction: the Goober can't explain how he wants people to think he   
   thinks he disagrees with himself about any of his quotes that I share, because   
   he agrees with himself about every one of them)   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)