XPost: alt.atheism, alt.agnosticism   
   From: US4zion@hotmail.com   
      
   George Plimpton  wrote:   
   > > unborn animal", I am not an idiot for thinking that he means animals   
   > > that have already been conceived.   
   >   
   > When he says something like that, you are an idiot and a fuckwit for not   
   > recognizing, despite expert coaching and guidance, that he's just   
   > spouting evasive bullshit having nothing to do with his absurd central   
   > thesis.   
   >   
      
   The Mountain Meadows massacre was a mass killing of the Fancher-Baker   
   wagon train at Mountain Meadows in Utah Territory on September 11, 1857,   
   by a group of Mormons and Paiute Indians. The Arkansas emigrants were   
   traveling to California shortly before Utah War started. Mormons   
   throughout the Utah Territory had been mustered to fight the invading   
   United States Army, which they believed was intended to destroy them as   
   a people. Initially intending to orchestrate an Indian massacre, two men   
   with leadership roles in local military, church and government   
   organizations, Isaac C. Haight and John D. Lee, conspired for Lee to   
   lead militiamen disguised as Native Americans along with a contingent of   
   Paiute tribesmen in an attack.   
      
   The emigrants fought back and a siege ensued. Intending to leave no   
   witnesses of Mormon complicity in the siege and avoid reprisals   
   complicating the Utah War, militiamen induced the emigrants to surrender   
   and give up their weapons. After escorting the emigrants out of their   
   fortification, the militiamen and their tribesmen auxiliaries executed   
   approximately 120 men, women and children.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)