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   On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 04:11:25 -0700 (PDT), Rupert    
   wrote:   
      
   >On 9 Aug., 23:43, dh@. wrote:   
   >> On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 10:37:45 -0500, Samuel Harrigon    
   >> wrote:   
   >>   
   >> >Goo lied:   
   >>   
   >> >> >> He's bullshitting, trying to be cute.  We know that what he means is   
   >> >> >> "future farm animals" that haven't even been conceived.   
   >>   
   >> >> > Well, actually, no, on this particular occasion it is clear that that   
   >> >> > is not what he means.He's bullshitting.  He's equivocating on "unborn   
   animals", as Dutch has   
   >> >> already patiently explained to you.  He's done this before.Fuckwit   
   *always* means, in his bullshit expressions of his core   
   >> >> bullshit, unconceived "future farm animals."  That's what he means.   
   >>   
   >> >Yes, the universe shows many examples of complexity and, indeed, may   
   >> >look designed to the naive, but no evidence for a designer of a universe   
   >> >has ever appeared. The only intellegent designers we know of come in the   
   >> >form of earthly based DNA life-forms.   
   >>   
   >>     Of course the only ones we're in any position to be able to detect are   
   those   
   >> same life forms, and we couldn't detect any others if they inhabitted every   
   >> other star system in the universe. Do you consider that fact too, or just   
   try to   
   >> ignore that one and if so why?   
   >   
   >Why do you think we wouldn't be able to detect intelligent   
   >extraterrestrials if they existed?   
      
       It would depend on whether they want us to be able to or not. For example   
   if   
   such beings do come to this planet and some of the thousands or millions of ufo   
   sightings are actually of xts, it means the people were able to see them   
   because   
   the xts wanted to be seen. It's always their lights that allows people to see   
   them, so it must be intentional if it's happening at all. If they do exist they   
   apparently want us to be isolated and not know about it for sure. Humans do the   
   same sort of thing, and have non-interference ideas and try to have zero or   
   very   
   little influence etc with wildlife. So even if they exist and are having and   
   have had tremendous influence there's no reason to think we'd be able to know   
   about it, unless some ufo sightings and crop circles etc are for real. If some   
   are then they're giving us little glimpses but not enough that we can say for   
   sure they exist, much less allow us to detect their transmissions of whatever   
   they use to communicate. And we damn sure can't jump around to check out a   
   bunch   
   of star systems to see what's going on. For all we know there could be star   
   systems with hundreds of inhabitted worlds filled with beings far more   
   intelligent and advanced than we are whithin 20 light years of here, or not. We   
   have no way of knowing. Were you unaware of that?   
      
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