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   On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 00:37:40 -0700 (PDT), Rupert    
   wrote:   
      
   >On Aug 14, 1:19 am, dh@. wrote:   
   >> On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 04:11:25 -0700 (PDT), Rupert    
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   >> >On 9 Aug., 23:43, dh@. wrote:   
   >> >> On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 10:37:45 -0500, Samuel Harrigon    
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   >> >> >Goo lied:   
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   >> >> >> >> He's bullshitting, trying to be cute.  We know that what he means   
   is   
   >> >> >> >> "future farm animals" that haven't even been conceived.   
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   >> >> >> > Well, actually, no, on this particular occasion it is clear that   
   that   
   >> >> >> > is not what he means.He's bullshitting.  He's equivocating on   
   "unborn animals", as Dutch has   
   >> >> >> already patiently explained to you.  He's done this before.Fuckwit   
   *always* means, in his bullshit expressions of his core   
   >> >> >> bullshit, unconceived "future farm animals."  That's what he means.   
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   >> >> >Yes, the universe shows many examples of complexity and, indeed, may   
   >> >> >look designed to the naive, but no evidence for a designer of a universe   
   >> >> >has ever appeared. The only intellegent designers we know of come in the   
   >> >> >form of earthly based DNA life-forms.   
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   >> >>     Of course the only ones we're in any position to be able to detect   
   are those   
   >> >> same life forms, and we couldn't detect any others if they inhabitted   
   every   
   >> >> other star system in the universe. Do you consider that fact too, or   
   just try to   
   >> >> ignore that one and if so why?   
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   >> >Why do you think we wouldn't be able to detect intelligent   
   >> >extraterrestrials if they existed?   
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   >>     It would depend on whether they want us to be able to or not.   
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   >That is different to what you said before.   
      
       Like what?   
      
   >> For example if   
   >> such beings do come to this planet and some of the thousands or millions of   
   ufo   
   >> sightings are actually of xts, it means the people were able to see them   
   because   
   >> the xts wanted to be seen. It's always their lights that allows people to   
   see   
   >> them, so it must be intentional if it's happening at all. If they do exist   
   they   
   >> apparently want us to be isolated and not know about it for sure. Humans do   
   the   
   >> same sort of thing, and have non-interference ideas and try to have zero or   
   very   
   >> little influence etc with wildlife. So even if they exist and are having and   
   >> have had tremendous influence there's no reason to think we'd be able to   
   know   
   >> about it, unless some ufo sightings and crop circles etc are for real. If   
   some   
   >> are then they're giving us little glimpses but not enough that we can say   
   for   
   >> sure they exist, much less allow us to detect their transmissions of   
   whatever   
   >> they use to communicate. And we damn sure can't jump around to check out a   
   bunch   
   >> of star systems to see what's going on. For all we know there could be star   
   >> systems with hundreds of inhabitted worlds filled with beings far more   
   >> intelligent and advanced than we are whithin 20 light years of here, or   
   not. We   
   >> have no way of knowing. Were you unaware of that?   
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   >No, and I gave you no grounds for thinking that I was.   
      
       Then you should be able to appreciate why we wouldn't necessarily be able   
   to   
   detect them, and especially if they didn't want us to. We're in no position to   
   go find out.   
      
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