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   XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, rec.sport.football.college,   
   rec.food.cooking   
   XPost: alt.gothic   
   From: rupertmccallum@yahoo.com   
      
   On Oct 16, 4:06 pm, George Plimpton  wrote:   
   > On 10/16/2012 3:12 AM, Rupert wrote:   
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   > > On Oct 15, 9:49 pm, George Plimpton  wrote:   
   > >> On 10/15/2012 12:15 PM, Rupert wrote:   
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   > >>> On Oct 15, 9:12 pm, Antonio Veranos  wrote:   
   > >>>> [George Plimpton, geo...@si.not]   
   > >>>> [Mon, 15 Oct 2012 12:00:53 -0700]   
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   > >>>> : > Well, it was definitely amusing to me,   
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   > >>>> : Because you're off your meds again.   
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   > >>>> If you ever want to point out that all vegans are hypocrites whether   
   > >>>> they know it or not, point out that plankton are animals and see if they   
   > >>>> can figure out why this is relevant to veganism.   
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   > >>> It would not be relevant to my motivations for being vegan, unless the   
   > >>> plankton were capable of suffering and I were in some way responsible   
   > >>> for them experiencing more suffering than would otherwise be the case.   
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   > >> You are indeed responsible for animals of the field suffering more than   
   > >> they otherwise would if you were to produce all your own food.   
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   > > True.   
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   > So your hypocrisy is established.   
      
   No, it's not. I'm currently fairly skeptical that there are any moral   
   truths. In this thread I have not expressed any moral views or made   
   any suggestion that anyone ought to follow my example. So the issue of   
   hypocrisy simply doesn't arise.   
      
   It would also be quite possible for someone to claim that there is a   
   moral obligation to make some effort to reduce one's contribution to   
   suffering, without having to claim that one has to make every possible   
   effort. In any event, producing all my own food would not be the most   
   efficient means of alleviating suffering because I would thereby   
   forego opportunities to reduce suffering in other ways.   
      
   If I maintained that all conscious nonhuman animals were rightsholders   
   in some extremely strong sense, then the hypocrisy charge could be   
   established. But you know that's not the case.   
      
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