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   XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, rec.sport.football.college,   
   rec.food.cooking   
   XPost: alt.gothic   
   From: rupertmccallum@yahoo.com   
      
   On Oct 17, 2:19 am, George Plimpton  wrote:   
   > On 10/16/2012 1:34 PM, Rupert wrote:   
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   > > On Oct 16, 10:28 pm, George Plimpton  wrote:   
   > >> On 10/16/2012 7:54 AM, Rupert wrote:   
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   > >>> On Oct 16, 4:39 pm, George Plimpton  wrote:   
   > >>>> On 10/16/2012 7:11 AM, Rupert wrote:   
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   > >>>>> On Oct 16, 4:06 pm, George Plimpton  wrote:   
   > >>>>>> On 10/16/2012 3:12 AM, Rupert wrote:   
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   > >>>>>>> On Oct 15, 9:49 pm, George Plimpton  wrote:   
   > >>>>>>>> On 10/15/2012 12:15 PM, Rupert wrote:   
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   > >>>>>>>>> On Oct 15, 9:12 pm, Antonio Veranos    
   wrote:   
   > >>>>>>>>>> [George Plimpton, geo...@si.not]   
   > >>>>>>>>>> [Mon, 15 Oct 2012 12:00:53 -0700]   
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   > >>>>>>>>>> : > Well, it was definitely amusing to me,   
   > >>>>>>>>>> :   
   > >>>>>>>>>> : Because you're off your meds again.   
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   > >>>>>>>>>> If you ever want to point out that all vegans are hypocrites   
   whether   
   > >>>>>>>>>> they know it or not, point out that plankton are animals and see   
   if they   
   > >>>>>>>>>> can figure out why this is relevant to veganism.   
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   > >>>>>>>>> It would not be relevant to my motivations for being vegan, unless   
   the   
   > >>>>>>>>> plankton were capable of suffering and I were in some way   
   responsible   
   > >>>>>>>>> for them experiencing more suffering than would otherwise be the   
   case.   
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   > >>>>>>>> You are indeed responsible for animals of the field suffering more   
   than   
   > >>>>>>>> they otherwise would if you were to produce all your own food.   
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   > >>>>>>> True.   
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   > >>>>>> So your hypocrisy is established.   
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   > >>>>> No, it's not.   
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   > >>>> Yes, it is.  You claim that your "veganism" is founded on some kind of   
   > >>>> moral principles, but clearly it's nothing but fashion.   
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   > >>> I didn't make any such claim in this thread.   
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   > >> Not in *this* thread, maybe, but you have in other threads, and you've   
   > >> never recanted it.   
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   > > Yes I have. I just did, in this thread. I told you I currently am   
   > > fairly skeptical that there are any moral truths. So I've obviously   
   > > changed my position.   
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   > >>> In this thread I just   
   > >>> said that my veganism was motivated by a desire to do something to   
   > >>> reduce my contribution to suffering.   
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   > >> Why would you want to do such a thing?  Is there a moral principle - or   
   > >> an alleged moral principle - behind it?   
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   > > You apparently find it hard to understand why someone would want to   
   > > reduce their contribution to animal suffering. I know plenty of people   
   > > who don't find it hard to understand at all. There's not much point in   
   > > trying to explain it, it's pretty fundamental.   
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   > Golly - that sounds an awful lot like what Fuckwit says about "decent   
   > lives of positive value".   
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   Don't really see the connection, myself.   
      
   > > Either you care about   
   > > animal suffering or you don't. In my experience most people care to at   
   > > least some degree, although usually not to the extent of trying to   
   > > change their eating habits to do something about it.   
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   > Why do they care about it?  What's behind it?  Other animals don't seem   
   > to care much about it.  What aspect of humanity makes us care about it?   
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   Well, actually, you do quite frequently observe animals showing   
   empathy towards other animals. I would say it's probably something to   
   do with having evolved as a social animal.   
      
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