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   From: rupertmccallum@yahoo.com   
      
   On Oct 18, 8:22 pm, dh@. wrote:   
   > On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 08:53:02 -0700 (PDT), Rupert    
   > wrote:   
   >   
   > >On Oct 10, 5:39 pm, CheeseHusker dos  wrote:   
   >   
   > >> At least when I eat cheese, I'm not killing the cow.   
   >   
   > >Not directly, no, but you are giving financial incentives to an   
   > >industry which inflicts considerable suffering and premature death on   
   > >a large number of cows.   
   >   
   >     There is no way the dairy industry can cause "premature death" to beings   
   who   
   > would have no life at all if it weren't for the dairy industry. You vegans   
   > contribute to the early deaths of wildlife and ONLY to that, but people who   
   > contribute to the dairy industry contribute to every bit of life the cattle   
   > experience, good and bad.   
   >   
   > >Dairy cows are killed when they outlive their   
   > >usefulness,   
   >   
   >     That's still not premature since the alternative is never living at all.   
   >   
   > >and their calves are used in the veal industry   
   >   
   >     The male calves are used in the veal industry. I'm sure some females are   
   for   
   > some reasons sometimes, but it's mainly what they do to get the most out of   
   > basically useless male dairy cattle. As long as they're treated decently   
   there   
   > should be nothing wrong with them experiencing life as a veal calf, afaWk.   
      
   http://www.ciwf.org.uk/farm_animals/cows/veal_calves/welfare_issues.aspx   
      
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