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   XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, rec.sport.football.college,   
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   From: rupertmccallum@yahoo.com   
      
   On Oct 18, 8:14 pm, dh@. wrote:   
   > On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 13:29:18 -0700 (PDT), Rupert    
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   > >On Oct 16, 7:25 pm, dh@. wrote:   
   > >> On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 03:14:04 -0700 (PDT), Rupert    
   > >> wrote:   
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   > >> >On Oct 15, 11:14 pm, Goo wrote:   
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   > >> >> Rupert is off doing telemarketing in Germany at present.   
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   > >> >I am doing a post-doc at the University of M nster.   
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   > >> Here's an easy experiment for you, but please be honest about the results.   
   > >> Ask some of the students if they can comprehend the distinction between   
   lives   
   > >> which are of positive value and lives which are of negative value for   
   different   
   > >> beings.   
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   > >It's a bit difficult to do that. I don't have any teaching duties and   
   > >I don't speak German very well. Would you like me to ask some of my   
   > >colleagues?   
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   >     Yes please. And if they can come up with a better definition than mine   
   I'd   
   > like to learn about that too, but so far I believe mine covers it as well as   
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   > can without causing excessive restrictions on the idea. No offense, but I   
   > consider "good" to be an excessive restriction.   
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   I asked Petra and Stefan. Petra said "What does he mean by positive   
   value?" I tried to give them some idea of what I thought you meant by   
   it. They both seemed to think it would be pretty hard to determine   
   whether a cow has a life of positive value, and they also didn't think   
   that your argument against vegetarianism was very strong (although   
   neither of them are vegetarians).   
      
   > >> The distinction applies to humans as well as other animals, and wildlife   
   > >> as well as domestic animals. See if any of the subjects are unable to   
   relate to   
   > >> the distinction in ANY group of animals or humans. If they say that they   
   have no   
   > >> problem with it in any group as I expect, then you might tell them that   
   you   
   > >> still can't appreciate it for any creatures at all and see what they say   
   about   
   > >> that. Their reaction to you telling them that is something I'm quite   
   interested   
   > >> in, as you should be too. The people I've discussed it with have never   
   had any   
   > >> problem with the concept and agree that someone who has a problem with it   
   is   
   > >> extremely unlikely to be able to obtain a PhD, and possibly even a   
   driver's   
   > >> license.   
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   > >I've never tried to get a driver's license.   
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   >     And that doesn't slow you down?   
      
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