XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, alt.agnosticism, alt.atheism   
   XPost: sci.skeptic   
      
   On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 11:38:48 -0700, Dutch  wrote:   
      
   >dh@. wrote:   
   >> On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 11:46:03 -0700, Dutch  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> dh@. wrote:   
   >>>> On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 16:32:22 -0700, Dutch  wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> dh@. wrote:   
   >>>>>> On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 16:07:29 -0700, Goo desperately, feebly puled:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 18:30:22 -0400, dh@. wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 12:42:24 -0700, Goo desperately puled:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 15:24:08 -0400, dh@. wrote   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 10:23:17 -0700, Goo wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:19:05 -0400, dh@. wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>       Goober what do you think is preventing you from benefitting   
   from your life   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> now? If you think it has something to do with before you existed,   
   then you need   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> to say WHAT specifically, and HOW.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Coming into existence - "getting to experience life" - is not a   
   benefit.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>     It cannot be:  it does not improve an entity's welfare, and   
   such a   
   >>>>>>>>>>> welfare improvement is the definition of benefit.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>       How do you think that prevents you from benefitting now Goob?   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> By definition   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>       How do you think the definition of benefit prevents you from   
   benefitting now   
   >>>>>>>> Goob? Try to explain it without mentioning pre-existence, Goo. You   
   can't.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Coming into existence - "getting to   
   >>>>>>> experience life" - does not improve an entity's welfare   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>        How do you think that's preventing you from benefitting now Goob?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> There's no such thing.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>       As what?   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>> "Benefiting from your life".   
   >>   
   >>      You appear to benefit from yours.   
   >   
   >That's bullshit.   
      
       No. You're lying. You DO appear to.   
      
   >I benefit from the good things *in* my life.   
      
       Those TOO. Your home TOO. Your clothes TOO. Oxygen TOO. Food TOO. Your   
   computer TOO. Etc....TOO. DUH!!!   
      
   >My life   
   >itself is who or what I am. You're hopelessly dishonest and stupid and   
   >there's no way out for you.   
      
       There's nothing for me to be dishonest about. In contrast to that you lie   
   that you don't benefit from your own life, which is about as blatant a lie as   
   it's possible for a liar to tell UNLESS he can explain what it is he thinks is   
   preventing him from benefitting. You can NOT though. All you can do is tell the   
   lie...LOL....without being able to even attempt to back it up. Your position is   
   hilarious from my pov.   
      
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