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   On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 01:37:29 -0700 (PDT), Rupert    
   wrote:   
      
   >On Oct 18, 8:22 pm, dh@. wrote:   
   >> On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 08:53:02 -0700 (PDT), Rupert    
   >> wrote:   
   >>   
   >> >On Oct 10, 5:39 pm, CheeseHusker dos  wrote:   
   >>   
   >> >> At least when I eat cheese, I'm not killing the cow.   
   >>   
   >> >Not directly, no, but you are giving financial incentives to an   
   >> >industry which inflicts considerable suffering and premature death on   
   >> >a large number of cows.   
   >>   
   >>     There is no way the dairy industry can cause "premature death" to   
   beings who   
   >> would have no life at all if it weren't for the dairy industry. You vegans   
   >> contribute to the early deaths of wildlife and ONLY to that, but people who   
   >> contribute to the dairy industry contribute to every bit of life the cattle   
   >> experience, good and bad.   
   >>   
   >> >Dairy cows are killed when they outlive their   
   >> >usefulness,   
   >>   
   >>     That's still not premature since the alternative is never living at all.   
   >>   
   >> >and their calves are used in the veal industry   
   >>   
   >>     The male calves are used in the veal industry. I'm sure some females   
   are for   
   >> some reasons sometimes, but it's mainly what they do to get the most out of   
   >> basically useless male dairy cattle. As long as they're treated decently   
   there   
   >> should be nothing wrong with them experiencing life as a veal calf, afaWk.   
   >   
   >http://www.ciwf.org.uk/farm_animals/cows/veal_calves/welfare_issues.aspx   
      
       I'm glad the crates are illegal in places where they are and am glad   
   they're   
   being phased out. I don't think much of the slat idea either. But then stuff   
   like that isn't them being treated decently, so my point remains good.   
      
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