XPost: alt.creative+cooking, alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, rec.   
   port.football.college   
   XPost: rec.food.cooking   
      
   On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 12:16:55 -0700, Dutch  wrote:   
      
   >dh@. wrote:   
   >>   The male calves are used in the veal industry. I'm sure some females are   
   for   
   >> some reasons sometimes, but it's mainly what they do to get the most out of   
   >> basically useless male dairy cattle. As long as they're treated decently   
   there   
   >> should be nothing wrong with them experiencing life as a veal calf, afaWk.   
   >   
   >I agree, there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. But their lives are   
   >NOT a *gift* to them in the sense that humans get to consider themselves   
   >to be their benefactors. That argument, called "The Logic of the Larder"   
   >is circular and illegitimate.   
      
       Taking the lives of livestock into consideration is ONLY called that by   
   eliminationists. People who actually favor decent AW over elimination think of   
   taking the lives of livestock into consideration as taking the lives of   
   livestock into consideration. Try to explain how you want us to think the vegan   
   larder is ethically superior to those of  people who contribute to the lives of   
   livestock with their lifestyle, since you want us to think about the larder   
   aspect. Go:   
      
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