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   On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:42:25 -0700 (PDT), Rupert    
   wrote:   
      
   >On Oct 22, 8:12 pm, dh@. wrote:   
   >> On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 01:36:14 -0700 (PDT), Rupert    
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   >> >On Oct 18, 8:23 pm, dh@. wrote:   
   >> >> On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 01:06:38 -0700 (PDT), Rupert    
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   >> >> >My assertion   
   >> >> >that the dairy industry inflicts considerable suffering and premature   
   >> >> >death on a large number of cows was factual   
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   >> >>     No it's not since as I pointed out you can't inflict premature death   
   when   
   >> >> the only option is no life at all.   
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   >> >Of course you can, you stupid fool.   
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   >> >> Since we know you have no grounds to complain   
   >> >> about that aspect it makes it seem likely that the suffering you're   
   referring to   
   >> >> may not be enough to make their lives of negative value to them either.   
   So, what   
   >> >> sort of suffering are you referring to?   
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   >> >http://www.ciwf.org.uk/farm_animals/cows/dairy_cows/welfare_issues.aspx   
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   >>     It doesn't seem to give their lives negative value from my pov, so you   
   have   
   >> no argument from my pov.   
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   >How would you go about justifying a decision about whether a life has   
   >"positive value" or "negative value"?   
      
       Unless the animals are obviously suffering due to overly confining   
   conditions or physical pain caused by whatever, there's no reason to believe   
   they're suffering from lives of negative value.   
      
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