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   XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian   
   From: rupertmccallum@yahoo.com   
      
   On Oct 24, 12:09 am, dh@. wrote:   
   > On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 14:16:14 -0700, Just Say No  wrote:   
   >   
   > >It's one thing to eliminate animal slime/protein from your diet, and   
   > >substitute vegetable slime/protein. There must be a major difference   
   > >between the two types of slimes.   
   >   
   > >But to claim that you are avoiding doing harm to animals and it is   
   > >founded on the principal of ahimsa is total bullshit.   
   >   
   >   Vegans contribute to the deaths of animals by their use of   
   > wood and paper products, electricity, roads and all types of   
   > buildings, their own diet, etc... just as everyone else does.   
   > What they try to avoid are products which provide life   
   > (and death) for farm animals, but even then they would have   
   > to avoid the following items containing animal by-products   
   > in order to be successful:   
   >   
   > tires, paper, upholstery, floor waxes, glass, water   
   > filters, rubber, fertilizer, antifreeze, ceramics, insecticides,   
   > insulation, linoleum, plastic, textiles, blood factors, collagen,   
   > heparin, insulin, solvents, biodegradable detergents, herbicides,   
   > gelatin capsules,  adhesive tape, laminated wood products,   
   > plywood, paneling, wallpaper and wallpaper paste, cellophane   
   > wrap and tape, abrasives, steel ball bearings   
   >   
   >     The meat industry provides life for the animals that it   
   > slaughters, and the animals live and die as a result of it   
   > as animals do in other habitats. They also depend on it for   
   > their lives as animals do in other habitats. If people consume   
   > animal products from animals they think are raised in decent   
   > ways, they will be promoting life for more such animals in the   
   > future. People who want to contribute to decent lives for   
   > livestock with their lifestyle must do it by being conscientious   
   > consumers of animal products, because they can not do it by   
   > being vegan.   
   >     From the life and death of a thousand pound grass raised   
   > steer and whatever he happens to kill during his life, people   
   > get over 500 pounds of human consumable meat...that's well   
   > over 500 servings of meat. From a grass raised dairy cow people   
   > get thousands of dairy servings. Due to the influence of farm   
   > machinery, and *icides, and in the case of rice the flooding and   
   > draining of fields, one serving of soy or rice based product is   
   > likely to involve more animal deaths than hundreds of servings   
   > derived from grass raised animals.   
      
   We examined the evidence for this assertion in the past, and found it   
   was totally unsubstantiated. You should stop saying it.   
      
   > Grass raised animal products   
   > contribute to fewer wildlife deaths, better wildlife habitat, and   
   > better lives for livestock than soy or rice products.   
      
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