XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, alt.agnosticism, alt.atheism   
   XPost: sci.skeptic   
      
   On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:01:34 -0700, Goo wrote:   
      
   >On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 13:41:51 -0400, dh@. wrote:   
   >   
   >>On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 10:30:55 -0700, Bob Casanova  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 14:18:36 -0400, dh@. wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 11:46:03 -0700, Dutch  wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>dh@. wrote:   
   >>>>>> On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 16:32:22 -0700, Dutch  wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> dh@. wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 16:07:29 -0700, Goo desperately, feebly puled:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 18:30:22 -0400, dh@. wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 12:42:24 -0700, Goo desperately puled:   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 15:24:08 -0400, dh@. wrote   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 10:23:17 -0700, Goo wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:19:05 -0400, dh@. wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Goober what do you think is preventing you from   
   benefitting from your life   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> now? If you think it has something to do with before you   
   existed, then you need   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to say WHAT specifically, and HOW.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Coming into existence - "getting to experience life" - is not a   
   benefit.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>    It cannot be:  it does not improve an entity's welfare, and   
   such a   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> welfare improvement is the definition of benefit.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>      How do you think that prevents you from benefitting now Goob?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> By definition   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>      How do you think the definition of benefit prevents you from   
   benefitting now   
   >>>>>>>>>> Goob? Try to explain it without mentioning pre-existence, Goo. You   
   can't.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Coming into existence - "getting to   
   >>>>>>>>> experience life" - does not improve an entity's welfare   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>       How do you think that's preventing you from benefitting now   
   Goob?   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> There's no such thing.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>      As what?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>"Benefiting from your life".   
   >>>>   
   >>>>    You appear to benefit from yours. What do you want people to think is   
   >>>>preventing you so we should feel sorry for you, do you have any clue at   
   all?   
   >>>   
   >>>And IronyMeters   
   >>   
   >>    You apparently have no clue at all, so why did you try to talk about it?   
   >   
   >He has more than a clue.  He fully understands it.   
      
       Try presenting some reason to believe that Goo. Go:   
      
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