XPost: alt.creative+cooking, alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, rec.   
   port.football.college   
   XPost: rec.food.cooking   
      
   On Wed, 24 Oct 2012 13:10:58 -0700, Goo wrote:   
      
   >On 10/24/2012 12:50 PM, dh@. wrote:   
   >> On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 17:08:17 -0700, Dutch  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> dh@. wrote:   
   >>>> On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 21:36:35 -0700, Dutch  wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> dh@. wrote:   
   >>>>>> On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 12:16:55 -0700, Dutch  wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> dh@. wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>      The male calves are used in the veal industry. I'm sure some   
   females are for   
   >>>>>>>> some reasons sometimes, but it's mainly what they do to get the most   
   out of   
   >>>>>>>> basically useless male dairy cattle. As long as they're treated   
   decently there   
   >>>>>>>> should be nothing wrong with them experiencing life as a veal calf,   
   afaWk.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> I agree, there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. But their lives are   
   >>>>>>> NOT a *gift* to them in the sense that humans get to consider   
   themselves   
   >>>>>>> to be their benefactors. That argument, called "The Logic of the   
   Larder"   
   >>>>>>> is circular and illegitimate.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>        Taking the lives of livestock into consideration is ONLY called   
   that by   
   >>>>>> eliminationists.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> That is a falsehood. You know the list of antis who have challenged the   
   >>>>> Larder argument.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>       No true antis have challenged it.   
   >   
   >*Every* real "anti" challenged it.  All of them.  You can't name one who   
   >accepted it.   
      
       That's a lie Goo. Polly from an AW organization up north did, and so did   
   the   
   girl from the ag college, and so did Marl, and so did didderot. In fact Marl   
   told you specifically that what I'm referring to is so far over your head you   
   can't comprehend, which of course certainly seems to be the case from my pov.   
   Every person who specifically favored AW has agreed with me Goober. Ward Clark   
   and Rich Etter never specifically favored AW, which is why those two couldn't   
   appreciate what I point out imo. They don't really care about the AW part Goob,   
   just the anti-elimination part. And in fact that particular distinction between   
   those two and all of the AW people is ANOTHER reason why you clearly seem to be   
   an eliminationist.   
      
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