XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, alt.agnosticism, alt.atheism   
   XPost: sci.skeptic   
      
   On Tue, 04 Dec 2012 11:09:40 -0700, Bob Casanova  wrote:   
      
   >On Mon, 03 Dec 2012 17:58:00 -0500, the following appeared   
   >in sci.skeptic, posted by dh@.:   
   >   
   >>On Fri, 30 Nov 2012 10:18:57 -0700, Bob Casanova  wrote:   
   >   
   >>>On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 16:20:07 -0500, the following appeared   
   >>>in sci.skeptic, posted by dh@.:   
   >   
   >>>>On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 13:20:48 -0700, Bob Casanova  wrote:   
   >   
   >   
   >   
   >>>>>, but you continue to wallow in ignorance. So be it.   
   >   
   >>>>    It's your fault because you can't attempt to back up your claim   
   >   
   >>>I'm not making a claim;   
   >   
   >>    You sure are. You're claiming that life is NOT a benefit, but you can't   
   make   
   >>any attempt to back it up. You can't even pretend to have any idea what   
   prevents   
   >>it from being.   
   >>   
   >>>you are. You claim that "life is a   
   >>>benefit". You provide zero evidence in support of that   
   >>>claim,   
   >   
   >>    The fact that when you lose your life you will no longer be able to   
   benefit   
   >>from anything proves that it's a benefit that makes all others possible.   
   >   
   >Wrong; that doesn't make life a benefit,   
      
       It sure does.   
      
   >it makes it a   
   >prerequisite for benefits   
      
       AGAIN making it a benefit.   
      
   >one may or may not realize. If I   
   >accepted your definition I could as easily argue that life   
   >is a harm, an "anti-benefit", so to speak, if life holds no   
   >benefit for you as an individual.   
      
       Existence and life itself would still both be benefits to you even though   
   your life experience overall would be negative. It happens both ways and the   
   value of life does change for individuals.   
   . . .   
   >>    It's up to you to support your claim that it's not a benefit, which would   
   >>require you saying what you want people to think prevents it from being,   
   which   
   >>you're totally unable to attempt to do.   
   >   
   >But I did   
      
       Not yet. Try now. Go:   
      
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