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   XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, rec.sport.football.college,   
   rec.food.cooking   
   XPost: alt.gothic   
   From: rupertmccallum@yahoo.com   
      
   On Dec 16, 12:17 am, George Plimpton  wrote:   
   > On 12/15/2012 2:18 PM, Lord Infomouse wrote:   
   >   
   > > On 12/15/2012 10:37 AM, George Plimpton wrote:   
   > >> On 12/13/2012 12:27 PM, dh@. wrote:   
   > >> Not for you it isn't - you can't give any valid assumptions.   
   >   
   > >>> As long as the being wishes to remain alive life is of positive   
   > >>> value.   
   >   
   > >> *FAIL*.  No livestock animal "wishes" anything.   
   >   
   > > This is a baseless assertion which you cannot prove.  Additionally, I   
   > > claim it is false.   
   >   
   > You know that it is true.  You know that no non-human animal "wishes"   
   > for anything.  Everyone knows it.   
      
   That's absolute nonsense. Actually, pretty much everyone, with some   
   notable exceptions such as yourself, knows perfectly well that many   
   nonhuman animals, certainly all mammals, have desires. It is common   
   sense. On the other hand, if you claimed that they haven't got the   
   conceptual resources to ponder the question of whether they wish to   
   remain alive, you'd probably be on pretty solid ground in the case of   
   most nonhuman mammals.   
      
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