XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, alt.agnosticism, alt.atheism   
   XPost: sci.skeptic   
      
   On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 19:15:24 -0800, Goo wrote:   
      
   >On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 18:37:23 -0500, dh@. wrote:   
   >   
   >>On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 19:25:25 -0800, Goo wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 18:05:48 -0500, dh@. wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 12:40:27 -0800, Goo wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:20:45 -0500, dh@. wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 13:38:50 -0800, Goo wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 15:34:23 -0500, dh@. wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:44:48 -0800, Goo wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:38:03 -0500, dh@. wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:39 -0800, Goo wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:29:54 -0500, dh@. wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:15:49 -0800, Goo agreed:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:16:39 -0500, dh@. wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 14:23:26 -0800, Goo lied:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 15:06:20 -0500, dh@. wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 15:36:27 -0800, Goo lied extremely   
   blatantly:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:48:46 -0500, dh@. wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 17:29:10 -0800, Goo wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Oh, and I forgot James Hepler.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Why do some people on one hand call for the extinction of a   
   species   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>while on the other hand lamenting the extinction of   
   another?  Are they   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>not all equal?" - James Hepler   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>James Hepler told you your "animals getting to experience   
   life" nonsense   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>was bullshit.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    He asked if the lives of wildlife and domestic animals   
   should not be   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>considered as equal Goob. That's what I suggest and what   
   eliminationists and   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ONLY eliminationists have reason to oppose, Goo.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>James Hepler told you point blank that your "getting to   
   experience life"   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bullshit was pure bullshit.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>    LOL!!!  A guy who asked "are they not all equal" supposedly   
   is opposed to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>taking them into consideration. HILARIOUS! You are such a stupid   
   Goober, Goo.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>LOL!!!!!!   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>    LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>James Hepler did, of course, tell you your "animals getting to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>experience life" story is bullshit.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>       I'm saying to David Harrison that his "at least they get to   
   live"   
   >>>>>>>>>>>       argument only applies to HIM and humans, that animals don't   
   >>>>>>>>>>>       derive the benefit of getting to live   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>    How do you think he disagrees with himself then Goo? Also   
   Goober, which   
   >>>>>>>>>>animals or beings of any kind do you want us to think don't derive   
   the benefit   
   >>>>>>>>>>of getting to live, and why? Do you think any creatures DO derive   
   the benefit of   
   >>>>>>>>>>getting to live Goob, and if so what do you think is the distinction   
   between   
   >>>>>>>>>>them and livestock animals who you claim don't, do you have any idea?   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>James Hepler told you point-blank your "at least they get to live"   
   >>>>>>>>>gibberish is bullshit.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>    They do live Goo. Billions of them. Some of them have lives of   
   positive   
   >>>>>>>>value and some of negative value, but you people can't appreciate or   
   even   
   >>>>>>>>acknowledge the difference.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>No moral meaning to that   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>    Not to YOU Goo, but it has much meaning to people who honestly favor   
   decent   
   >>>>>>AW over elimination.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>It has no meaning   
   >>>>   
   >>>>    Goo people who honestly believe decent AW is ethically equivalent or   
   >>>>superior to elimination have no reason to oppose taking those same lives   
   and   
   >>>>potential lives into consideration, you stupid STUPID Goober.   
   >>>   
   >>>The animals "getting to experience life" has no moral meaning   
   >>   
   >>    Of course it does Goo, and the fact that you have no clue how much it   
   has is   
   >>something else that exposes you.   
   >   
   >No, it has no moral meaning *at all*, *Goo*.  Everyone knows it -   
   >including you.   
      
       It certainly has as much or more than their deaths Goob. ONLY   
   eliminationists have reason to oppose considering the animals' lives, Goo.   
      
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