XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, alt.agnosticism, alt.atheism   
   XPost: sci.skeptic   
   From: george@si.not   
      
   On 1/28/2013 3:56 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon   
   for dog fighting, lied:   
      
   > On 1/22/2013 7:15 PM, George Plimpton wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 1/22/2013 3:37 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon   
   >> for dog fighting, lied:   
   >>   
   >>> On 1/21/2013 7:25 PM, George Plimpton wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On 1/21/2013 3:05 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon   
   >>>> for dog fighting, lied:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 12:40:27 -0800, George Plimpton wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:20:45 -0500, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* -   
   >>>>>> convicted felon for dog fighting, lied:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 13:38:50 -0800, George Plimpton wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 15:34:23 -0500, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo*   
   >>>>>>>> - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:44:48 -0800, George Plimpton wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:38:03 -0500, Fuckwit David Harrison -   
   >>>>>>>>>> *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied:   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:39 -0800, George Plimpton wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:29:54 -0500, Fuckwit David Harrison -   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:15:49 -0800, George Plimpton wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:16:39 -0500, Fuckwit David Harrison -   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 14:23:26 -0800, George Plimpton wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 15:06:20 -0500, Fuckwit David Harrison   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 15:36:27 -0800, George Plimpton wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:48:46 -0500, Fuckwit David   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 17:29:10 -0800, George Plimpton   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, and I forgot James Hepler.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [bullshit]   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James Hepler told you your "animals getting to experience   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life" nonsense   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was bullshit.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     He asked if   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James Hepler told you point blank that your "getting to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience life"   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bullshit was pure bullshit.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     LOL!!!   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!!!!!!   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>     LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> James Hepler did, of course, tell you your "animals getting to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> experience life" story is bullshit.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>        I'm saying to David Harrison that his "at least they get   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> to live"   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>        argument only applies to HIM and humans, that animals   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> don't   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>        derive the benefit of getting to live   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>     How do you think   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> James Hepler told you point-blank your "at least they get to live"   
   >>>>>>>>>> gibberish is bullshit.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>     They do live   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> No moral meaning to that, *Goo*, and James Hepler told you   
   >>>>>>>> so...as did   
   >>>>>>>> Martin Martens, John Mercer, Felix, Swamp, diderot, Illinois   
   >>>>>>>> Bowhunter,   
   >>>>>>>> and Sue Bishop.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>     Not to YOU   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> It has no meaning, period - zero.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>      people who honestly believe decent AW   
   >>>>   
   >>>> The animals "getting to experience life" has no moral meaning to anyone,   
   >>>> *Goo*.  That's just a fact - an indisputable fact.   
   >>>   
   >>> Of course it does   
   >>   
   >> No, it has no moral meaning *at all*, *Goo*.  Everyone knows it -   
   >> including you.  You're just being pig-shit stubborn and stupid again.   
   >   
   > It certainly has as much or more than their deaths   
      
   No, it does not.  It has *NO* meaning at all, *Goo* - zero.  Their   
   deaths *do* have some meaning, because ending a life is morally   
   troubling.  Changing the course of action so that some animal lives   
   don't happen is meaningless, *to the animals*.  It *cannot* have any   
   meaning to the animals that are not going to exist, Fuckwit.   
      
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