XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, alt.agnosticism, alt.atheism   
   XPost: sci.skeptic   
   From: george@si.not   
      
   On 2/6/2013 11:31 AM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon   
   for dog fighting, lied:   
      
   > On 2/4/2013 6:28 PM, George Plimpton wrote:   
   >> On 2/4/2013 4:13 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon   
   >> for dog fighting, lied:   
   >>> On 1/30/2013 1:25 PM, George Plimpton wrote:> On 1/30/2013 12:13 PM,   
   >>> dh@. wrote:   
   >>>>>> On 1/28/2013 3:56 PM,Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon   
   >>>>>> for dog fighting, lied:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> On 1/22/2013 7:15 PM, George Plimpton wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> On 1/22/2013 3:37 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted   
   >>>>>>>> felon   
   >>>>>>>> for dog fighting, lied:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> On 1/21/2013 7:25 PM, George Plimpton wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> On 1/21/2013 3:05 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted   
   >>>>>>>>>> felon   
   >>>>>>>>>> for dog fighting, lied:   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 12:40:27 -0800, George Plimpton wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:20:45 -0500, Fuckwit David Harrison -   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> *Goo* -   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> convicted felon for dog fighting, lied:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 13:38:50 -0800, George Plimpton wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 15:34:23 -0500, Fuckwit David Harrison -   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Goo*   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:44:48 -0800, George Plimpton wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:38:03 -0500, Fuckwit David Harrison -   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:39 -0800, George Plimpton wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:29:54 -0500, Fuckwit David   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harrison -   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:15:49 -0800, George Plimpton   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:16:39 -0500, Fuckwit David   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harrison -   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 14:23:26 -0800, George Plimpton   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 15:06:20 -0500, Fuckwit David   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harrison   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 15:36:27 -0800, George Plimpton   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:48:46 -0500, Fuckwit David   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lied:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 17:29:10 -0800, George Plimpton   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, and I forgot James Hepler.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [bullshit]   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James Hepler told you your "animals getting to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life" nonsense   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was bullshit.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     He asked if   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James Hepler told you point blank that your   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "getting to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience life"   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bullshit was pure bullshit.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     LOL!!!   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!!!!!!   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James Hepler did, of course, tell you your "animals   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience life" story is bullshit.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        I'm saying to David Harrison that his "at least   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to live"   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        argument only applies to HIM and humans, that   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> animals   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        derive the benefit of getting to live   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     How do you think   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James Hepler told you point-blank your "at least they get to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> live"   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gibberish is bullshit.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     They do live   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> No moral meaning to that, *Goo*, and James Hepler told you   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> so...as did   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Martin Martens, John Mercer, Felix, Swamp, diderot, Illinois   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bowhunter,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Sue Bishop.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>     Not to YOU   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> It has no meaning, period - zero.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>      people who honestly believe decent AW   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> The animals "getting to experience life" has no moral meaning to   
   >>>>>>>>>> anyone,   
   >>>>>>>>>> *Goo*.  That's just a fact - an indisputable fact.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Of course it does   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> No, it has no moral meaning *at all*, *Goo*.  Everyone knows it -   
   >>>>>>>> including you.  You're just being pig-shit stubborn and stupid   
   >>>>>>>> again.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> It certainly has as much or more than their deaths   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> No, it does not.  It has *NO* meaning at all   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>      It sure does and   
   >>>>   
   >>>> No.  It has no meaning at all, *Goo*.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> *Goo* - zero.  Their   
   >>>>>> deaths *do* have some meaning, because ending a life is morally   
   >>>>>> troubling.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>       It's hilarious in the   
   >>>>   
   >>>> No, *Goo*.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> The fact they "get to experience life" has no meaning, *Goo* - you have   
   >>>> admitted it, *Goo* - and *THEREFORE*, *Goo*, if they never live at all,   
   >>>> that has no meaning, either.  None.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> Changing the course of action so that some animal lives   
   >>>>>> don't happen is meaningless< *to the animals*.  It *cannot* have any   
   >>>>>> meaning to the animals that are not going to exist, Fuckwit.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>    but how it has meaning when they DO LIVE   
   >>>>   
   >>>> It doesn't.  "Getting to experience life" has no meaning "to the   
   >>>> animals", *Goo*.  There is nothing to consider about what's important   
   >>>> "to the animals", *Goo*   
   >>>>   
   >>>> In all this time, *Goo* - over 14 years - you have not been able to say   
   >>>> what is important "to the animals" about "getting to experience life",   
      
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