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   On May 28, 3:36 pm, thirty-six  wrote:   
   > On May 28, 7:55 pm, "His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble   
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   > Philosopher"  wrote:   
   > > On May 28, 1:39 pm, thirty-six  wrote:   
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   > > > On May 28, 6:03 pm, "His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble   
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   > > > Philosopher"  wrote:   
   > > > > On May 28, 12:56 pm, thirty-six  wrote:   
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   > > > > > On May 28, 9:01 am, "His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble   
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   > > > > > Philosopher"  wrote:   
   > > > > > > On May 28, 12:55 am, Christopher  Helms    
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   > > > > > > > On May 27, 9:40 pm, "His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most   
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   > > > > > > > Philosopher"  wrote:   
   > > > > > > > > On May 27, 9:31 pm, Harold Burton    
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   > > > > > > > > > In article   
   > > > > > > > > > <0e0dd21c-f7c6-4740-bdaf-fac662e18...@w8g2000y   
   f.googlegroups.com>,   
   > > > > > > > > >  "His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble   
   Philosopher"   
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   > > > > > > > > > > On May 27, 2:58 pm, Father Haskell  wrote:   
   > > > > > > > > > > > On May 27, 1:15 pm, "His Highness the Wise   
   TibetanMonkey, Most Humble   
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   > > > > > > > > > > > Philosopher"  wrote:   
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   > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't like cultivating the body as in gym training,   
   but I want my   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > body be subject to the rigors of life (meaning   
   walking, bicycling,   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > swimming). Remember I praise the "hunter gatherer"   
   lifestyle. Hunting   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > is no longer practical, so something must take its   
   place.   
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   > > > > > > > > > > > Walk, don't drive, to the grocery.   
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   > > > > > > > > > > I don't drive to the market, but walking a mile round trip   
   ain't much   
   > > > > > > > > > > of a challenge for a man who can ride a bike for 15 miles.   
   Perhaps   
   > > > > > > > > > > that's enough for an 88 year old but not me.   
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   > > > > > > > > > > It's an idiotic world made for idiotic people. People just   
   get on the   
   > > > > > > > > > > automatic Toyota and go everywhere without giving it a   
   thought. When   
   > > > > > > > > > > you mention the "hunter gatherer," they go "what!?"   
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   > > > > > > > > > > Is it Capitalism or Christianity? Well, they go hand in   
   hand. They are   
   > > > > > > > > > > just contrary to Human Nature.   
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   > > > > > > > > > Given the human nature leads to lives that are "nasty,   
   brutish and   
   > > > > > > > > > short" I'll go with the contrary Capitalism and   
   Christianity, thank you.   
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   > > > > > > > > > Snicker   
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   > > > > > > > > They didn't have a long life that was the result of high-tech   
   medicine   
   > > > > > > > > and drugs. Their teeth fell apart as well, and diet was   
   deficient.   
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   > > > > > > > > On the plus side they didn't live with diabetes and were   
   strong until   
   > > > > > > > > they dropped dead.   
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   > > > > > > > > We on the other hand could choose the best of both worlds.   
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   > > > > > > > They are always telling us how our ancient ancestors didn't get   
   > > > > > > > diabetes, they didn't get heart disease, they didn't have this   
   and   
   > > > > > > > they didn't have that. They always seem to forget to mention   
   that they   
   > > > > > > > didn't eat much because there wasn't much available, and they   
   also   
   > > > > > > > tended to die in their 30s, if not earlier, from countless forms   
   of   
   > > > > > > > brutality, or things related to the filth they lived in and/or   
   their   
   > > > > > > > lack of understanding of what germs and bacteria were. They   
   didn't get   
   > > > > > > > modern diseases because they had their own problems to deal with.   
   > > > > > > > Which isn't to say that we aren't doing some incredibly stupid   
   things   
   > > > > > > > to ourselves right now relating to our health. We could have the   
   best   
   > > > > > > > of both worlds, healthwise, if we wanted it. Its right there in   
   front   
   > > > > > > > of us. But we don't want it if it means having to give up things   
   like   
   > > > > > > > Coca Cola, Big Macs, Snicker bars and Little Debbies. Which   
   would be   
   > > > > > > > fine as far as capitalism goes if doing that just led to fat   
   people   
   > > > > > > > dying. But it doesn't. It leads to fat people getting sick, for   
   years   
   > > > > > > > and years, unable to work, unable to do much of anything except   
   > > > > > > > accumulate huge medical bills that they have no means to pay   
   off, THEN   
   > > > > > > > dying. Which means that everybody else, including (maybe   
   especially),   
   > > > > > > > healthy people who *can* pay, end up having to foot the bill for   
   > > > > > > > everything from other peoples amputations to their diabetic   
   supplies   
   > > > > > > > to their four wheeled electric lard carts.   
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   > > > > > > > It's easy to blame 'Capitalism' for giving people exactly what   
   they   
   > > > > > > > want. It's tougher to blame it for the results of our own   
   desires.   
   > > > > > > > It's tougher yet to blame our deeply ingrained. practically   
   biological   
   > > > > > > > love of sugar and our inability to resist it despite what it is   
   doing   
   > > > > > > > to us, even though that's what's really at the bottom of our   
   current   
   > > > > > > > health mess.   
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   > > > > > > You are partially right because on top of it all --our addiction to   
   > > > > > > junk food-- we lack a necessary ingredient of life: EXERCISE. Our   
   > > > > > > sedentary life is killing us.   
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   > > > > > > But capitalism also makes sure we can't SUE junk food providers   
   such   
   > > > > > > as McDonald's which makes our kids addicted to same junk with the   
   > > > > > > skillful performance of a clown and advertising. They control our   
   > > > > > > diet.   
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   > > > > > > When we walk into a supermarket, 90% of the shelves is junk, pure   
   > > > > > > colorful junk.   
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   > > > > > Where else can you get "breakfast cereals"  :-\   
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   > > > > I think dog food is better. I mean more nutritious, not that it tastes   
   > > > > better.   
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   > > > Possibly, before it has been subjected to high pressure cooking.  Not   
   > > > genuinely nutritious for humans but probably less injurous.   I buy   
   > > > dried pulses and their flours, but other than a little canned meat and   
   > > > some canned beans (due entirely for convenience), everything else is   
   > > > living.   I'll need to make a check on that, but that was the   
   > > > intention with my last grocery haul.   I did make a mistake with   
      
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