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   From: bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com   
      
   On 08/16/2013 09:24 PM, Olrik wrote:   
   > Le 2013-08-16 19:10, Dale a écrit :   
   >> On 08/16/2013 03:54 AM, Dale wrote:   
   >>> I am currently a vegetarian that drinks milk and infrequently eats eggs   
   >>>   
   >>> I was told chicken eggs are non-fertile   
   >>>   
   >>> my current diet is   
   >>>   
   >>> meal 1) whey protein/nut bar and milk and orange juice   
   >>> meal 2) two whole wheat cheese sandwiches   
   >>> meal 3) a can of corn or peas   
   >>> meal 4) a roll of crackers and orange juice   
   >>>   
   >>> I would like to go vegan, since I seem to think that milk and cheese   
   >>> might come from animals that are mistreated all their lives   
   >>>   
   >>> I can replace the milk with soy milk   
   >>>   
   >>> I don't have to eat the eggs   
   >>>   
   >>> I have various leather things, a belt and shoes are the only ones I am   
   >>> using and will replace them with non-leather when I need to with cheap   
   >>> non-leather alternatives   
   >>>   
   >>> but I need something to replace the cheese with that I don't have to   
   >>> cook and is inexpensive, as you see my diet is cheap, and that I can   
   >>> find in a regular USA grocery store, I don't want to travel far due to   
   >>> gas costs   
   >>>   
   >>> once in awhile I treat myself to MacDonald's fries, pizza or vegetarian   
   >>> Chinese, I like Indian but it is more expensive and further away   
   >>>   
   >>> I can do without the pizza since it has cheese   
   >>>   
   >>> any ideas?   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> well this is what I did   
   >>   
   >> got soy milk   
   >>   
   >> replaced cheese with a pure peanut butter   
   >>   
   >> all at one of my local grocers   
   >>   
   >> I'm now going to have to check my protein bars to see whether they use   
   >> soy or whey protein, pause, looks like they have whey   
   >>   
   >> so I'll have to do something there   
   >>   
   >> I hear the milk and cheese products in my area (Schneider's and   
   >> Turner's) treat the cows well   
   >>   
   >> don't know about an occasional pizza   
   >>   
   >> don't know about an occasional egg McMuffin   
   >>   
   >> don't know whether it is better karma to throw out what I currently have   
   >> or finish it up, any ideas?   
   >   
   > Humans are omnivores. Eat what you want. Don't fuss over it.   
   >   
   > In the immortal words of Michael Pollan:   
   >   
   > “Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants.”   
   >   
   >   
      
   	These anti-lacto-ovarian vegetarians make the error of assuming   
   that all egg producers are treating their animals as badly as the   
   things they see portrayed on TV to try to discourage the ingestion of   
   meat.   
   	Most of the time farmers treat their animals far better than   
   the sort of abuse depicted..   
   	If I try to eat a vegetarian diet I get sick so what works   
   for some folks does not work for all individuals.  Oh and by the way   
   I was raised by family tradition (stronger than religion) to eat   
   animal protein.  My family had two farms successively and I did chores   
   like bringing the cows back to the barn to be milked, and collecting   
   eggs from the chickens, watched my mom butcher numerous rabbits which   
   we also skinned for the cash sales.   
   	I eat animal protein now than every before in my   
   life except for a period just before I came down with a chronic   
   illness when I tried to eat soy products.   
   	Now-a-days I use hemp milk and coconut milk products.   
   	I go thru about a dozen eggs per month, several pounds   
   of chicken meat and several pounds of turkey meat with a bit   
   of braised pork or beef when I can afford it.  I got to   
   76 years of age last week.  Despite my chronic illness and   
   my poverty I fear I will last another 10 years or more.   
   My food allergies and sensitivities include animal milk products,   
   wheat, citrus fruit and almonds.   
      
   	bon appetite'   
      
   	bliss   
      
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