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   J. P. Gilliver (John) to hayesstw@telkomsa.net   
   Re: Britons still live in Anglo-Saxon tr   
   24 Oct 15 08:04:59   
   
   XPost: england.genealogy.misc, england.history.misc, soc.genealogy.britain   
   XPost: soc.history, alt.genealogy   
   From: G6JPG@soft255.demon.co.uk   
      
   In message <0m4m2blnpj3el62hehob679o1danln696u@4ax.com>, Steve Hayes   
    writes:   
   []   
   >A new genetic map of Britain shows that there has been little movement   
   >between areas of Britain which were former tribal kingoms in   
   >Anglo-Saxon England   
   []   
   >The ‘People of the British Isles’ study analysed the DNA of 2,039   
   >people from rural areas of the UK, whose four grandparents were all   
   >born within 80km of each other.   
   >   
   >Because a quarter of our genome comes from each of our grandparents,   
   >the researchers were effectively sampling DNA from these ancestors,   
   >allowing a snapshot of UK genetics in the late 19th Century before   
   >mass migration events caused by the industrial revolution.   
   []   
   Thanks for posting this; interesting.   
      
   Although the Telegraph's analysis - though it left the second two   
   paragraphs above in - seems to have ignored them; by limiting its focus   
   to those whose grandparents were all born within 80 km of each other, it   
   is obviously biased to immobility. The general thrust of the article is   
   that we haven't moved much for 14 centuries; however, a better summary   
   would be that _up to the late 19th century_ we hadn't moved much. Still   
   interesting, especially the fact that Viking, Saxon, and Roman (genetic)   
   influence is only moderate, but not particularly startling to   
   genealogists: anyone who has done much research in the field will have   
   already discovered that people before even up to the end of the   
   nineteenth century often lived their entire lives within a few miles of   
   where they were born.   
      
   It would be interesting to have another study taken without the   
   restriction, to see how things _have_ changed since "mass migration".   
      
   In my own researches, I had assumed the coming of the railways in the   
   mid to late 19C would have led to much greater migration around the   
   country; however, I've found the effect was much less than I'd expected.   
   Still, when doing research for work colleagues (at Rochester in Kent), I   
   find quite a lot of them are from local areas.   
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   J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf   
      
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