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   I will take it as read that the Holocaust evolved over time.  The scholarship   
   agrees with Livingstone, that the period from 1933 to 1938, witnessed the use   
   of emigration, as the route through which the Jews would be eliminated from   
   German society.  It    
   would not be accurate to say however, that no Jews died as a result of   
   anti-Semitic attacks during this period.  Martin Gilbert in his classic   
   account of the Holocaust, estimates that some 200 hundred Jews died in those   
   years, most of them in the first    
   14 months of Nazi rule [page 57].   
      
   The systematic and 'scientific' killing of Jews in their millions, along with   
   other minorities and targets of Nazi hate, began in 1939 with the  T4   
   programme, aimed at the elimination of People with learning disabilities, but   
   expanded considerably with    
   the invasion of Russia in 1941.  Some 11 million died in the Holocaust, 6   
   million of which were Jews.   
      
   NEVER AGAIN!   
      
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   On the 27th April, 2016, the Labour MP Naz Shah gave an apology to Parliament,   
   for alleged anti-Semitic Tweets she had made, before becoming an MP.  Shah   
   found herself suspended.   
      
   The next day, veteran Left-winger and ex- London Mayor Ken Livingstone, gave   
   Vannessa Feltz an interview, in defence of Shah.  Feltz confronted Livingstone   
   with an editorial from the Telegraph, which was highly critical of Shah.    
   Livingstone said that he    
   thought that Shah's comments were over the top, but not anti-Semitic and that   
   in his 47 years in the Labour Party, he had never heard any anti-Semitic   
   statements, only criticism of Israel and its policies toward the Palestinians.   
   Feltz continued,   
      
   " She [Shah] talked about relocating Israel to America. She talked about what   
   Hitler did being legal. And she talked about the Jews rallying. And she used   
   the words Jews, not Israelis or Israel. You didn’t find that to be   
   antisemitic?"[1]   
      
   Much was made of the introduction of Hitler into the debate.  Livingstone was   
   criticised for doing this by Nick Clegg on the Daily Politics, later that   
   morning and by David Mellor and Michael Crick in their interview of   
   Livingstone on the 30th April.     
   But it is clear that Feltz was guilty of introducing Hitler.[2]   
      
   It was at this point in the interview, that Livingstone made the comments for   
   which he was suspended,   
      
   "Let’s remember, when Hitler won his election in 1932 his policy then was   
   that Jews should be moved to Israel. He was supporting Zionism. [He then] went   
   mad and ending up killing 6 million Jews."   
      
   Livingstone then made his way to the studios of Andrew Neil and his Daily   
   Politics, where he was door stepped by Labour MP John Mann who aggressively   
   accused him,   
      
   "you're a disgusting racist.....Nazi apologist.....factually  wrong....go back   
   and check what Hitler did.....there's a book called Mein Kampf."   
      
   Livingstone did his best to defend himself,  in what was a very difficult and   
   aggressive atmosphere.   
      
   It was then that matters moved to the studio and Mann had his chance to make   
   his points calmly, delivering the coup de grace.  It has to be said that the   
   exchange was a little of an anti-climax.  The key remarks of Mann's were these,   
      
   "He's worst historian than he is a politician.  He's factually inaccurate. he   
   ought to read Mein Kampf Hitler's book.  He ought to study what the Nazi's   
   did, including when Hitler came to power in Jan 1933.  He ought to look at the   
   events of that year.     
   He ought to look at the first, second, third thing that Nazi regime did, who   
   he targeted and why.  He ought to look at  what He and his political leaders   
   said about Zionism."{3]   
      
   Mann then went onto to say that Livingstone remarks were hugely offensive and   
   that he should be removed from National Executive and suspended.  Mann   
   continued,   
      
   "Hitler was not a Zionist.  Hitler blocked any attempt to get Jews into what   
   was then Palestine and the reason he did so and he said and expressed,  was   
   because a Zionist state would be an international Jewish conspiracy and base   
   for it.  He said it in    
   Mein Kampf and it was said, indeed, his foreign Minister specified that in   
   great detail in 1937 outlining why they weren't prepared to allow Jews,  who   
   they wanted to get rid of, to leave to go to  what was then Palestine, because   
   it  would have created    
   this power base for an international Jewish conspiracy."   
      
   What Mann actually did, was allow Livingstone to clarify his remarks,   
      
   "What John Man just said isn't true.   I have not said that Hitler was a   
   Zionist.  What I said was, his policy in 1932 was deport Germany's Jews to   
   Israel, that isn't to say I agree with it"   
      
   Now it is time to turn to the history.   
      
   It has already been noted that Livingstone is wrong on his contention that   
   Hitler favoured the emigration of Jews to Israel, since Israel did not exist   
   at that time and it was actually Mandated Palestine.  This criticism of   
   Livingstone is correct but    
   trivial.  Livingstone has not been suspended for mislabelling Palestine, but   
   in his claims about the relationship between Hitler and Zionism.  It is this   
   that I now turn.   
      
   A review of the historical record proves that the Nazi's supported Zionism in   
   three essential respects:   
      
     1.	Nazism and Zionism shared the belief that the Jews were a separate race   
   that could not assimilate into German society,   
      
   2.	 from 1933 until at least 1938, that Jews should emigrate from Germany   
   preferably to Palestine,    
      
   3.	 that the Nazi's banned Jewish organisations, publications, meetings and   
   speeches which promoted Jewish assimilation but allowed Zionist organisations,   
   publications, meetings and speeches which promoted emigration.   
      
      
   Nazism and Zionism shared principles.   
      
   During the debate, Mann had told Livingstone to read Mein Kampf, Hitler's   
   infamous auto-biography.  There is no doubt that Hitler's anti-semitic   
   diatribe, provides ample evidence of his hatred of the Jews.  Scattered   
   amongst this however, are one or two    
   references to the Zionists.  At page 44, Hitler reflects on his visit to   
   Vienna where he encounters a Jew and begins to cognize their separateness as a   
   race.  This bring a question into his mind "Is this a German?"  These   
   prejudices ARE CONFIRMED and    
   Hitler's doubts   
      
     "were finally dispelled by the attitude of a portion of the Jews   
   themselves.  Among them there was a great movement, quite extensive in Vienna,   
   which came out sharply in confirmation of the national character of the Jews:   
   this was the Zionists."[4]   
      
      
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