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   SolomonW to Ned Latham   
   Re: Had Europe never existed, the world    
   09 Dec 19 23:30:21   
   
   XPost: talk.politics.misc, soc.history.what-if, alt.history.what-if   
   From: SolomonW@citi.com   
      
   On Sun, 08 Dec 2019 06:59:12 -0600, Ned Latham wrote:   
      
   > SolomonW wrote:   
   >> Ned Latham wrote:   
   >>> PhantomView wrote:   
   >>> >   
   >>> >                                             Pouring classical,   
   >>> > arabic and far eastern philosophy, science and tech into that   
   >>> > situation allowed for an energetic reaction the likes of which had   
   >>> > not been seen before.   
   >>>   
   >>> Almost all of that was European anyway: the knowledge and science of   
   >>> the Ancient Greeks, transmitted to Rome, then to Persia when Justinian   
   >>> forbade teaching by pagans, then to Islam when the Arabs conquered   
   >>> Persia. There was as well a little from China and India.   
   >>>   
   >>> Islam is in fact responsible for *nothing* good. Even their   
   >>> architecture was derived from that of Ancient Rome. And India.   
   >>   
   >> Although I think that Islam is overrated for politically correct reasons,   
   >> I think this goes too far. Islam did some of the medicine, discussions of   
   >> physics, mathematics, etc.   
   >   
   > If you examine the basis of those claims, you'll find that they all lie   
   > in compendia of ancient knowledge put together by Persian scholars in   
   > the tenth and eleventh ccnturies. Muslims, yes, but not originators.   
      
   There is some original material there.   
      
      
   >   
   >>> > I am at a bit of a loss to explain why Rome missed the boat.   
   >>>   
   >>> Christianity stultified it.   
   >>   
   >> I am not sure, later era of the Roman Empire was technologically   
   >> advancing faster.   
   >   
   > Only in areas that weren't a problem for Christian dogma.   
      
   Which areas would take be? By 400 CE the Western Roman Empire was pretty   
   homogenise   
      
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