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|    Re: Putin And Trump Join Forces To Attac    |
|    17 Aug 25 02:14:48    |
      XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.atheism, alt.politics.trump       XPost: rec.arts.tv       From: x@y.com              Trump's doing as he's told by Putin!                            U.S. President Donald Trump said on Saturday that Ukraine should make a       deal to end the war with Russia because “Russia is a very big power, and       they’re not”, after a summit where Vladimir Putin was reported to have       demanded more Ukrainian land. After the two leaders met in Alaska on       Friday, Trump told Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky that Putin had       offered to freeze most front lines if Kyiv ceded all of Donetsk, the       industrial region that is one of Moscow’s main targets, a source familiar       with the matter said.              Zelensky rejected the demand, the source said. Russia already controls a       fifth of Ukraine, including about three-quarters of Donetsk province, which       it first entered in 2014.              Trump also said he agreed with Putin that a peace deal should be sought       without the prior ceasefire that Ukraine and its European allies, until now       with U.S. support, have demanded.              Zelensky said he would meet Trump in Washington on Monday, while Kyiv’s       European allies welcomed Trump’s efforts but vowed to back Ukraine and       tighten sanctions on Russia.              Analysis: Despite Trump’s impatience to broker a settlement in Russia-       Ukraine War, Putin presents some obstacles to peace              Trump’s meeting with Putin, the first U.S.-Russia summit since Moscow       launched a full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, lasted just       three hours.              “It was determined by all that the best way to end the horrific war between       Russia and Ukraine is to go directly to a Peace Agreement, which would end       the war, and not a mere Ceasefire Agreement, which often times do not hold       up,” Trump posted on Truth Social.              His various comments on the meeting mostly aligned with the public       positions of Moscow, which says it wants a full settlement - not a pause -       but that this will be complex because positions are “diametrically       opposed”.              Russia has been gradually advancing for months. The war - the deadliest in       Europe for 80 years - has killed or wounded well over a million people from       both sides, including thousands of mostly Ukrainian civilians, according to       analysts. Before the summit, Trump had said he would not be happy unless a       ceasefire was agreed on.              Ukrainian women give birth in bomb shelters as country faces plummeting       population              But afterwards he said that, after Monday’s talks with Zelensky, “if all       works out, we will then schedule a meeting with President Putin”. Those       talks will evoke memories of a meeting in the White House Oval Office in       February, where Trump and Vice President JD Vance gave Zelensky a brutal       public dressing-down. Putin signalled no movement in Russia’s long-held       demands, which also include a veto on Kyiv’s desired membership in the NATO       alliance.              He made no mention in public of meeting Zelensky, which the Ukrainian       leader said he was willing to do. Kremlin aide Yuri Ushakov said a three-       way summit had not been discussed.              More stories below advertisement              In an interview with Fox News’ Sean Hannity, Trump signalled that he and       Putin had discussed land transfers and security guarantees for Ukraine, and       had “largely agreed”.              “I think we’re pretty close to a deal,” he said, adding: “Ukraine has to       agree to it. Maybe they’ll say ’no’.”              Asked what he would advise Zelensky to do, Trump said: “Gotta make a deal.”              “Look, Russia is a very big power, and they’re not,” he added.              Zelensky has consistently said he cannot concede territory without changes       to Ukraine’s constitution, and Kyiv sees Donetsk’s “fortress cities” such       as Sloviansk and Kramatorsk as a bulwark against Russian advances into even       more regions.              Zelensky has also insisted on security guarantees, to deter Russia from       invading again. He said he and Trump had discussed “positive signals” on       the U.S. taking part, and that Ukraine needed a lasting peace, not “just       another pause” between Russian invasions. Canadian Prime Minister Mark       Carney welcomed what he described as Trump’s openness to providing security       guarantees to Ukraine under a peace deal. He said security guarantees were       “essential to any just and lasting peace.”              Putin, who has opposed involving foreign ground forces, said he agreed with       Trump that Ukraine’s security must be “ensured”. “I would like to hope that       the understanding we have reached will allow us to get closer to that goal       and open the way to peace in Ukraine,” Putin told a briefing on Friday with       Trump. For Putin, just sitting down with Trump represented a victory. He       had been ostracized by Western leaders since the start of the war, and just       a week earlier had faced a threat of new sanctions from Trump.                     Trump spoke to European leaders after returning to Washington. Several       stressed the need to keep pressure on Russia.              British Prime Minister Keir Starmer said an end to the war was closer than       ever, thanks to Trump, but added: “... until (Putin) stops his barbaric       assault, we will keep tightening the screws on his war machine with even       more sanctions.” A statement from European leaders said, “Ukraine must have       ironclad security guarantees” and no limits should be placed on its armed       forces or right to seek NATO membership as Russia has sought.              Some European politicians and commentators were scathing about the summit.       “Putin got his red carpet treatment with Trump, while Trump got nothing,”       Wolfgang Ischinger, former German ambassador to Washington, posted on X.              Both Russia and Ukraine carried out overnight air attacks, a daily       occurrence, while fighting raged on the front. Trump told Fox he would       postpone imposing tariffs on China for buying Russian oil, but he might       have to “think about it” in two or three weeks.              He ended his remarks after the summit by telling Putin: “We’ll speak to you       very soon and probably see you again very soon.”              “Next time in Moscow,” a smiling Putin responded in English.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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