From: HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com   
      
   On 11/7/2025 11:46 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:   
   > On Fri, 7 Nov 2025 10:07:31 -0500, Retirednoguilt   
   >  wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 11/6/2025 5:33 PM, Ed P wrote:   
   >>> On 11/6/2025 4:50 PM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> For quite a few years, and certainly now, dishwashers, if used when   
   >>>>> full, require much less water that when washing and rinsing the   
   >>>>> equivalent number of dishes by hand.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>    But  when it takes a week to fill the dishwasher,   
   >>>> and it needs to be run   twice   to get things clean  ..   
   >>>>    energy savings disappear  -  and my fav sleepy-guy   
   >>>> coffee mug has been unavailable that whole time !   
   >>>>   We're planning a kitchen reno  -  we'll leave the   
   >>>> plumbing for the dishwasher available for future   
   >>>> homeowners  but replace the space with some storage   
   >>>> drawers.   
   >>>>      John T.   
   >>>   
   >>> Twice?  Mine often sits a week too and everything comes out spotless.  I   
   >>> use Cascade Platinum pods and they work every time.   
   >>>   
   >>> The house came with a GE and it works well, but my preference if buying   
   >>> new would be Kitchen Aid.  They always did a great job too.   
   >>   
   >> I'd advise a little research before plunging deep into your pocket to   
   >> pay for a Kitchen Aid.  Many years ago they were excellent.  For our   
   >> previous home, my parents bought us a top model Kitchen Aid dishwasher   
   >> as their housewarming present as a replacement for the 15 year old   
   >> builder's quality whatever brand that came with the house.  We were   
   >> never impressed.  For several decades they've had reliability/quality   
   >> control problems.  It died after only about 12 years of very light use   
   >> but multiple repairs.  We replaced it with a mid-range GE that was still   
   >> going strong when sold the house about 30 years later.  Maybe Kitchen   
   >> Aid has overcome their problems and are top rated again.  I've had no   
   >> need to shop for a new dishwasher so I haven't kept up with the recent   
   >> ratings.   
   > Most of my friends who DO have the "mechanical version" have BOSCH and   
   > won't have anything else. Not sure if it is still true but WAS the   
   > only didhwasher brand BUILT IN THE USA.   
   > They are all hoping they continue to work at least until after 2028   
   > when hopefully the tarriff stupidity ends   
      
   Clare, I usually find myself completely agreeing with what you post.   
   However, in this case, it sounds as if perhaps patriotism has superseded   
   fact?  BOSCH may or may not be the highest quality dishwasher made but   
   it sounds as if you might be attributing that status to its manufacture   
   in the USA.  I think we're both old enough to remember when German and   
   then Japanese cameras replaced Kodak as the highest quality commercially   
   available camera for amateur photographers.  Also, the first   
   commercially available wrist watch with a quartz movement was introduced   
   by Seiko in 1969 and was much more accurate than the best commercially   
   available mechanical wrist watch movements made anywhere in the world. I   
   certainly consider myself patriotic; I served 30 years in uniform in the   
   U.S. military. I prefer to buy American if there's a choice of products   
   of equal quality and price that meet my needs.  But I don't feel   
   disloyal if I choose a product of foreign manufacture if there's no   
   comparable American product.   
      
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