From: HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com   
      
   On 11/8/2025 11:42 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:   
   > On Sat, 8 Nov 2025 10:25:14 -0500, Retirednoguilt   
   >  wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 11/7/2025 11:46 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:   
   >>> On Fri, 7 Nov 2025 10:07:31 -0500, Retirednoguilt   
   >>>  wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On 11/6/2025 5:33 PM, Ed P wrote:   
   >>>>> On 11/6/2025 4:50 PM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> For quite a few years, and certainly now, dishwashers, if used when   
   >>>>>>> full, require much less water that when washing and rinsing the   
   >>>>>>> equivalent number of dishes by hand.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>    But  when it takes a week to fill the dishwasher,   
   >>>>>> and it needs to be run   twice   to get things clean  ..   
   >>>>>>    energy savings disappear  -  and my fav sleepy-guy   
   >>>>>> coffee mug has been unavailable that whole time !   
   >>>>>>   We're planning a kitchen reno  -  we'll leave the   
   >>>>>> plumbing for the dishwasher available for future   
   >>>>>> homeowners  but replace the space with some storage   
   >>>>>> drawers.   
   >>>>>>      John T.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Twice?  Mine often sits a week too and everything comes out spotless.  I   
   >>>>> use Cascade Platinum pods and they work every time.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> The house came with a GE and it works well, but my preference if buying   
   >>>>> new would be Kitchen Aid.  They always did a great job too.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> I'd advise a little research before plunging deep into your pocket to   
   >>>> pay for a Kitchen Aid.  Many years ago they were excellent.  For our   
   >>>> previous home, my parents bought us a top model Kitchen Aid dishwasher   
   >>>> as their housewarming present as a replacement for the 15 year old   
   >>>> builder's quality whatever brand that came with the house.  We were   
   >>>> never impressed.  For several decades they've had reliability/quality   
   >>>> control problems.  It died after only about 12 years of very light use   
   >>>> but multiple repairs.  We replaced it with a mid-range GE that was still   
   >>>> going strong when sold the house about 30 years later.  Maybe Kitchen   
   >>>> Aid has overcome their problems and are top rated again.  I've had no   
   >>>> need to shop for a new dishwasher so I haven't kept up with the recent   
   >>>> ratings.   
   >>> Most of my friends who DO have the "mechanical version" have BOSCH and   
   >>> won't have anything else. Not sure if it is still true but WAS the   
   >>> only didhwasher brand BUILT IN THE USA.   
   >>> They are all hoping they continue to work at least until after 2028   
   >>> when hopefully the tarriff stupidity ends   
   >>   
   >> Clare, I usually find myself completely agreeing with what you post.   
   >> However, in this case, it sounds as if perhaps patriotism has superseded   
   >> fact?  BOSCH may or may not be the highest quality dishwasher made but   
   >> it sounds as if you might be attributing that status to its manufacture   
   >> in the USA.  I think we're both old enough to remember when German and   
   >> then Japanese cameras replaced Kodak as the highest quality commercially   
   >> available camera for amateur photographers.  Also, the first   
   >> commercially available wrist watch with a quartz movement was introduced   
   >> by Seiko in 1969 and was much more accurate than the best commercially   
   >> available mechanical wrist watch movements made anywhere in the world. I   
   >> certainly consider myself patriotic; I served 30 years in uniform in the   
   >> U.S. military. I prefer to buy American if there's a choice of products   
   >> of equal quality and price that meet my needs.  But I don't feel   
   >> disloyal if I choose a product of foreign manufacture if there's no   
   >> comparable American product.   
   >   
   >  Patriotism??? No way - I'm CANADIAN.   
   > It just happens that in this case, the german brand American built   
   > product actually IS a good product. Dead quiet - parts availability   
   > when required, and a good clean (according to my Canadian friends.)   
      
   I assume you're referring to the Bosch product.  I don't understand your   
   comment re: patriotism.  Frankly, I wish I had a Canadian passport. I   
   enjoy recreational international travel and was abroad as recently as   
   this past January/February.  But I was occasionally looked at with the   
   stink eye and questioned by several locals trying to understand what's   
   happened here and why.  I would have preferred to say that I was   
   Canadian so don't ask me when I was asked if I was American, but I'm   
   just not a person who lies. However, I also didn't enjoy spending my   
   recreational time trying to educate foreigners that they shouldn't   
   stereotype us. And, let me be clear, although I prefer to support our   
   struggling economy, as I said above, "I don't feel disloyal if I choose   
   a product of foreign manufacture if there's no comparable American   
   product."  There's a great difference between being a zealot and being a   
   patriot.   
      
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