From: clare@snyder.on.ca
On Sun, 9 Nov 2025 12:14:14 -0500, Retirednoguilt
wrote:
>On 11/8/2025 11:42 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
>> On Sat, 8 Nov 2025 10:25:14 -0500, Retirednoguilt
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/7/2025 11:46 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 7 Nov 2025 10:07:31 -0500, Retirednoguilt
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 11/6/2025 5:33 PM, Ed P wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/6/2025 4:50 PM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For quite a few years, and certainly now, dishwashers, if used when
>>>>>>>> full, require much less water that when washing and rinsing the
>>>>>>>> equivalent number of dishes by hand.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But when it takes a week to fill the dishwasher,
>>>>>>> and it needs to be run twice to get things clean ..
>>>>>>> energy savings disappear - and my fav sleepy-guy
>>>>>>> coffee mug has been unavailable that whole time !
>>>>>>> We're planning a kitchen reno - we'll leave the
>>>>>>> plumbing for the dishwasher available for future
>>>>>>> homeowners but replace the space with some storage
>>>>>>> drawers.
>>>>>>> John T.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Twice? Mine often sits a week too and everything comes out spotless. I
>>>>>> use Cascade Platinum pods and they work every time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The house came with a GE and it works well, but my preference if buying
>>>>>> new would be Kitchen Aid. They always did a great job too.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd advise a little research before plunging deep into your pocket to
>>>>> pay for a Kitchen Aid. Many years ago they were excellent. For our
>>>>> previous home, my parents bought us a top model Kitchen Aid dishwasher
>>>>> as their housewarming present as a replacement for the 15 year old
>>>>> builder's quality whatever brand that came with the house. We were
>>>>> never impressed. For several decades they've had reliability/quality
>>>>> control problems. It died after only about 12 years of very light use
>>>>> but multiple repairs. We replaced it with a mid-range GE that was still
>>>>> going strong when sold the house about 30 years later. Maybe Kitchen
>>>>> Aid has overcome their problems and are top rated again. I've had no
>>>>> need to shop for a new dishwasher so I haven't kept up with the recent
>>>>> ratings.
>>>> Most of my friends who DO have the "mechanical version" have BOSCH and
>>>> won't have anything else. Not sure if it is still true but WAS the
>>>> only didhwasher brand BUILT IN THE USA.
>>>> They are all hoping they continue to work at least until after 2028
>>>> when hopefully the tarriff stupidity ends
>>>
>>> Clare, I usually find myself completely agreeing with what you post.
>>> However, in this case, it sounds as if perhaps patriotism has superseded
>>> fact? BOSCH may or may not be the highest quality dishwasher made but
>>> it sounds as if you might be attributing that status to its manufacture
>>> in the USA. I think we're both old enough to remember when German and
>>> then Japanese cameras replaced Kodak as the highest quality commercially
>>> available camera for amateur photographers. Also, the first
>>> commercially available wrist watch with a quartz movement was introduced
>>> by Seiko in 1969 and was much more accurate than the best commercially
>>> available mechanical wrist watch movements made anywhere in the world. I
>>> certainly consider myself patriotic; I served 30 years in uniform in the
>>> U.S. military. I prefer to buy American if there's a choice of products
>>> of equal quality and price that meet my needs. But I don't feel
>>> disloyal if I choose a product of foreign manufacture if there's no
>>> comparable American product.
>>
>> Patriotism??? No way - I'm CANADIAN.
>> It just happens that in this case, the german brand American built
>> product actually IS a good product. Dead quiet - parts availability
>> when required, and a good clean (according to my Canadian friends.)
>
>I assume you're referring to the Bosch product. I don't understand your
>comment re: patriotism. Frankly, I wish I had a Canadian passport. I
>enjoy recreational international travel and was abroad as recently as
>this past January/February. But I was occasionally looked at with the
>stink eye and questioned by several locals trying to understand what's
>happened here and why. I would have preferred to say that I was
>Canadian so don't ask me when I was asked if I was American, but I'm
>just not a person who lies. However, I also didn't enjoy spending my
>recreational time trying to educate foreigners that they shouldn't
>stereotype us. And, let me be clear, although I prefer to support our
>struggling economy, as I said above, "I don't feel disloyal if I choose
>a product of foreign manufacture if there's no comparable American
>product." There's a great difference between being a zealot and being a
>patriot.
You need to look at the post I was responding to for the
"patriotism" reference - - - And I agree with you - definitely easier
being a Canadian when travelling!!
I do a fair amount. In the last several years I've been in Norway,
Sweden, Netherlands, Scotland, Australia, New Zealand, New Caledonia,
Fiji, Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Peru, Equador, Panama, Cayman Islands,
Zambia, Zimbabwe, Botswana, Portugal, Spain, Itally, Greece, and
Turkey. Add a few more years and Morroco, Austria, Burkina Faso - and
a few others - not to mentionabout half of the US states and Mexico
and every province of Canada.
I prefer to buy Canadian when I can - and when, as often is the case,
I cannot I like to buy from local importers/resellers. Sometimes that
is not possible and I resort to buying from American suppliers or
through American companies like Amazon (no fan of Bezos - but ya gotta
do what ya gotta do sometimes ) or import directly from China or
wherever.
Being a Canadian small businessman my preference is to support other
Canadian small businessmen when possible and if it makes sense - - -
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