From: clare@snyder.on.ca
On Sun, 09 Nov 2025 22:36:17 -0500, Clare Snyder
wrote:
>On Sun, 9 Nov 2025 12:14:14 -0500, Retirednoguilt
> wrote:
>
>>On 11/8/2025 11:42 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
>>> On Sat, 8 Nov 2025 10:25:14 -0500, Retirednoguilt
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11/7/2025 11:46 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 7 Nov 2025 10:07:31 -0500, Retirednoguilt
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/6/2025 5:33 PM, Ed P wrote:
>>>>>>> On 11/6/2025 4:50 PM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For quite a few years, and certainly now, dishwashers, if used when
>>>>>>>>> full, require much less water that when washing and rinsing the
>>>>>>>>> equivalent number of dishes by hand.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But when it takes a week to fill the dishwasher,
>>>>>>>> and it needs to be run twice to get things clean ..
>>>>>>>> energy savings disappear - and my fav sleepy-guy
>>>>>>>> coffee mug has been unavailable that whole time !
>>>>>>>> We're planning a kitchen reno - we'll leave the
>>>>>>>> plumbing for the dishwasher available for future
>>>>>>>> homeowners but replace the space with some storage
>>>>>>>> drawers.
>>>>>>>> John T.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Twice? Mine often sits a week too and everything comes out spotless.
I
>>>>>>> use Cascade Platinum pods and they work every time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The house came with a GE and it works well, but my preference if buying
>>>>>>> new would be Kitchen Aid. They always did a great job too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd advise a little research before plunging deep into your pocket to
>>>>>> pay for a Kitchen Aid. Many years ago they were excellent. For our
>>>>>> previous home, my parents bought us a top model Kitchen Aid dishwasher
>>>>>> as their housewarming present as a replacement for the 15 year old
>>>>>> builder's quality whatever brand that came with the house. We were
>>>>>> never impressed. For several decades they've had reliability/quality
>>>>>> control problems. It died after only about 12 years of very light use
>>>>>> but multiple repairs. We replaced it with a mid-range GE that was still
>>>>>> going strong when sold the house about 30 years later. Maybe Kitchen
>>>>>> Aid has overcome their problems and are top rated again. I've had no
>>>>>> need to shop for a new dishwasher so I haven't kept up with the recent
>>>>>> ratings.
>>>>> Most of my friends who DO have the "mechanical version" have BOSCH and
>>>>> won't have anything else. Not sure if it is still true but WAS the
>>>>> only didhwasher brand BUILT IN THE USA.
>>>>> They are all hoping they continue to work at least until after 2028
>>>>> when hopefully the tarriff stupidity ends
>>>>
>>>> Clare, I usually find myself completely agreeing with what you post.
>>>> However, in this case, it sounds as if perhaps patriotism has superseded
>>>> fact? BOSCH may or may not be the highest quality dishwasher made but
>>>> it sounds as if you might be attributing that status to its manufacture
>>>> in the USA. I think we're both old enough to remember when German and
>>>> then Japanese cameras replaced Kodak as the highest quality commercially
>>>> available camera for amateur photographers. Also, the first
>>>> commercially available wrist watch with a quartz movement was introduced
>>>> by Seiko in 1969 and was much more accurate than the best commercially
>>>> available mechanical wrist watch movements made anywhere in the world. I
>>>> certainly consider myself patriotic; I served 30 years in uniform in the
>>>> U.S. military. I prefer to buy American if there's a choice of products
>>>> of equal quality and price that meet my needs. But I don't feel
>>>> disloyal if I choose a product of foreign manufacture if there's no
>>>> comparable American product.
>>>
>>> Patriotism??? No way - I'm CANADIAN.
>>> It just happens that in this case, the german brand American built
>>> product actually IS a good product. Dead quiet - parts availability
>>> when required, and a good clean (according to my Canadian friends.)
>>
>>I assume you're referring to the Bosch product. I don't understand your
>>comment re: patriotism. Frankly, I wish I had a Canadian passport. I
>>enjoy recreational international travel and was abroad as recently as
>>this past January/February. But I was occasionally looked at with the
>>stink eye and questioned by several locals trying to understand what's
>>happened here and why. I would have preferred to say that I was
>>Canadian so don't ask me when I was asked if I was American, but I'm
>>just not a person who lies. However, I also didn't enjoy spending my
>>recreational time trying to educate foreigners that they shouldn't
>>stereotype us. And, let me be clear, although I prefer to support our
>>struggling economy, as I said above, "I don't feel disloyal if I choose
>>a product of foreign manufacture if there's no comparable American
>>product." There's a great difference between being a zealot and being a
>>patriot.
> You need to look at the post I was responding to for the
>"patriotism" reference - - - And I agree with you - definitely easier
>being a Canadian when travelling!!
>I do a fair amount. In the last several years I've been in Norway,
>Sweden, Netherlands, Scotland, Australia, New Zealand, New Caledonia,
>Fiji, Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Peru, Equador, Panama, Cayman Islands,
>Zambia, Zimbabwe, Botswana, Portugal, Spain, Itally, Greece, and
>Turkey. Add a few more years and Morroco, Austria, Burkina Faso - and
>a few others - not to mentionabout half of the US states and Mexico
>and every province of Canada.
>
> I prefer to buy Canadian when I can - and when, as often is the case,
>I cannot I like to buy from local importers/resellers. Sometimes that
>is not possible and I resort to buying from American suppliers or
>through American companies like Amazon (no fan of Bezos - but ya gotta
>do what ya gotta do sometimes ) or import directly from China or
>wherever.
>Being a Canadian small businessman my preference is to support other
>Canadian small businessmen when possible and if it makes sense - - -
ALso, remember Kitchen Aid is Whirlpool, Maytag, and JennAir.
A lot of these products are the same basic product with a few extra
features or different trim / badging - with the "heart" or "guts"
being virtually the same -
You pay a LOT MORE for a Kitchen Aid than for a Maytag or Whirlpool -
and more yet for a JennAir - Are you getting more / better? or just
getting "prestige"?
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