From: HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com   
      
   On 11/9/2025 10:44 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:   
   > On Sun, 09 Nov 2025 22:36:17 -0500, Clare Snyder    
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >> On Sun, 9 Nov 2025 12:14:14 -0500, Retirednoguilt   
   >>  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On 11/8/2025 11:42 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:   
   >>>> On Sat, 8 Nov 2025 10:25:14 -0500, Retirednoguilt   
   >>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> On 11/7/2025 11:46 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:   
   >>>>>> On Fri, 7 Nov 2025 10:07:31 -0500, Retirednoguilt   
   >>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> On 11/6/2025 5:33 PM, Ed P wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> On 11/6/2025 4:50 PM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> For quite a few years, and certainly now, dishwashers, if used when   
   >>>>>>>>>> full, require much less water that when washing and rinsing the   
   >>>>>>>>>> equivalent number of dishes by hand.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>    But  when it takes a week to fill the dishwasher,   
   >>>>>>>>> and it needs to be run   twice   to get things clean  ..   
   >>>>>>>>>    energy savings disappear  -  and my fav sleepy-guy   
   >>>>>>>>> coffee mug has been unavailable that whole time !   
   >>>>>>>>>   We're planning a kitchen reno  -  we'll leave the   
   >>>>>>>>> plumbing for the dishwasher available for future   
   >>>>>>>>> homeowners  but replace the space with some storage   
   >>>>>>>>> drawers.   
   >>>>>>>>>      John T.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Twice?  Mine often sits a week too and everything comes out   
   spotless.  I   
   >>>>>>>> use Cascade Platinum pods and they work every time.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> The house came with a GE and it works well, but my preference if   
   buying   
   >>>>>>>> new would be Kitchen Aid.  They always did a great job too.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> I'd advise a little research before plunging deep into your pocket to   
   >>>>>>> pay for a Kitchen Aid.  Many years ago they were excellent.  For our   
   >>>>>>> previous home, my parents bought us a top model Kitchen Aid dishwasher   
   >>>>>>> as their housewarming present as a replacement for the 15 year old   
   >>>>>>> builder's quality whatever brand that came with the house.  We were   
   >>>>>>> never impressed.  For several decades they've had reliability/quality   
   >>>>>>> control problems.  It died after only about 12 years of very light use   
   >>>>>>> but multiple repairs.  We replaced it with a mid-range GE that was   
   still   
   >>>>>>> going strong when sold the house about 30 years later.  Maybe Kitchen   
   >>>>>>> Aid has overcome their problems and are top rated again.  I've had no   
   >>>>>>> need to shop for a new dishwasher so I haven't kept up with the recent   
   >>>>>>> ratings.   
   >>>>>> Most of my friends who DO have the "mechanical version" have BOSCH and   
   >>>>>> won't have anything else. Not sure if it is still true but WAS the   
   >>>>>> only didhwasher brand BUILT IN THE USA.   
   >>>>>> They are all hoping they continue to work at least until after 2028   
   >>>>>> when hopefully the tarriff stupidity ends   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Clare, I usually find myself completely agreeing with what you post.   
   >>>>> However, in this case, it sounds as if perhaps patriotism has superseded   
   >>>>> fact?  BOSCH may or may not be the highest quality dishwasher made but   
   >>>>> it sounds as if you might be attributing that status to its manufacture   
   >>>>> in the USA.  I think we're both old enough to remember when German and   
   >>>>> then Japanese cameras replaced Kodak as the highest quality commercially   
   >>>>> available camera for amateur photographers.  Also, the first   
   >>>>> commercially available wrist watch with a quartz movement was introduced   
   >>>>> by Seiko in 1969 and was much more accurate than the best commercially   
   >>>>> available mechanical wrist watch movements made anywhere in the world. I   
   >>>>> certainly consider myself patriotic; I served 30 years in uniform in the   
   >>>>> U.S. military. I prefer to buy American if there's a choice of products   
   >>>>> of equal quality and price that meet my needs.  But I don't feel   
   >>>>> disloyal if I choose a product of foreign manufacture if there's no   
   >>>>> comparable American product.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>  Patriotism??? No way - I'm CANADIAN.   
   >>>> It just happens that in this case, the german brand American built   
   >>>> product actually IS a good product. Dead quiet - parts availability   
   >>>> when required, and a good clean (according to my Canadian friends.)   
   >>>   
   >>> I assume you're referring to the Bosch product.  I don't understand your   
   >>> comment re: patriotism.  Frankly, I wish I had a Canadian passport. I   
   >>> enjoy recreational international travel and was abroad as recently as   
   >>> this past January/February.  But I was occasionally looked at with the   
   >>> stink eye and questioned by several locals trying to understand what's   
   >>> happened here and why.  I would have preferred to say that I was   
   >>> Canadian so don't ask me when I was asked if I was American, but I'm   
   >>> just not a person who lies. However, I also didn't enjoy spending my   
   >>> recreational time trying to educate foreigners that they shouldn't   
   >>> stereotype us. And, let me be clear, although I prefer to support our   
   >>> struggling economy, as I said above, "I don't feel disloyal if I choose   
   >>> a product of foreign manufacture if there's no comparable American   
   >>> product."  There's a great difference between being a zealot and being a   
   >>> patriot.   
   >>  You need to look at the post I was responding to for the   
   >> "patriotism" reference - - -  And I agree with you - definitely easier   
   >> being a Canadian when travelling!!   
   >> I do a fair amount. In the last several years I've been in Norway,   
   >> Sweden, Netherlands, Scotland, Australia, New Zealand, New Caledonia,   
   >> Fiji, Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Peru, Equador, Panama, Cayman Islands,   
   >> Zambia, Zimbabwe, Botswana, Portugal, Spain, Itally, Greece, and   
   >> Turkey. Add a few more years and Morroco, Austria, Burkina Faso - and   
   >> a few others - not to mentionabout half of the US states and Mexico   
   >> and every province of Canada.   
   >>   
   >> I prefer to buy Canadian when I can - and when, as often is the case,   
   >> I cannot I like to buy from local importers/resellers. Sometimes that   
   >> is not possible and I resort to buying from American suppliers or   
   >> through American companies like Amazon (no fan of Bezos - but ya gotta   
   >> do what ya gotta do sometimes ) or import directly from China or   
   >> wherever.   
   >> Being a Canadian small businessman my preference is to support other   
   >> Canadian small businessmen when possible and if it makes sense - - -   
   >   
   >   
   > ALso, remember Kitchen Aid is Whirlpool, Maytag, and JennAir.   
   > A lot of these products are the same basic product with a few extra   
      
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