From: HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com   
      
   On 2/4/2026 1:29 PM, Frank wrote:   
   > On 2/4/2026 12:25 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:   
   >> On Wed, 4 Feb 2026 12:10:00 -0500, Maria Sophia   
   >>  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> Plumbing. Shutoffs. Inside the house. Even outside actually. Under sink.   
   >>>   
   >>> Toilet. Why on earth are they rotate kind. When have you ever in your 100   
   >>> years life ever regulated the flow from the shutoff? It's either on or off.   
   >>>   
   >>> It's binary. Right? So why do they all NOT have quarter-turn ball valves?   
   >>>   
   >>> Nobody in the history of indoor plumbing has ever said, 'Let me precisely   
   >>> throttle my toilet fill valve using this crusty little multi-turn shutoff'.   
   >>>   
   >>> So why are they ubiquitous?   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>   Mine ARE all 1/4 turn. MOST installed around here in the last 10   
   >> years or so are 1/4 turn.   
   >> Before the Chinafication of the supply chain 1/4 turn valves were   
   >> significantly more expensive than the standardt type so were seldom   
   >> used.   
   >   
   > I believe my newer ones are all also quarter turn.  Old shutoff valves   
   > have been my recent plumbing problems with leaking and needing replacement.   
      
   The nice thing about the old shutoff valves is that in my experience, I   
   can easily repair the two most common problems I've seen with those   
   valves.  Either the washer needs replacement if the valve isn't   
   completely shutting off the water, or the packing nut needs slight   
   tightening if there is leaking where the valve stem penetrates the   
   packing nut.  Don't have a clue what to do if there is any malfunction   
   with a quarter turn valve.  Actually, I've had quarter turn valves   
   refuse to turn after a long period of non-use.  I've never had an old   
   style valve refuse to turn.   
      
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