From: esp@snet.n   
      
   On 2/4/2026 2:56 PM, retired1 wrote:   
   > On 2/4/26 12:10 PM, Maria Sophia wrote:   
   >> Plumbing. Shutoffs. Inside the house. Even outside actually. Under sink.   
   >> Toilet. Why on earth are they rotate kind. When have you ever in your 100   
   >> years life ever regulated the flow from the shutoff? It's either on or   
   >> off.   
   >> It's binary. Right? So why do they all NOT have quarter-turn ball valves?   
   >>   
   >> Nobody in the history of indoor plumbing has ever said, 'Let me precisely   
   >> throttle my toilet fill valve using this crusty little multi-turn   
   >> shutoff'.   
   >>   
   >> So why are they ubiquitous?   
   >   
   >   
   > FWIW, before retiring, I owned 5 homes built before 1971 in 2 states.   
   > All had "rotary" shutoff valves. If they leaked then they were repaired   
   > not replaced. I only saw 1/4 turns at other newer homes, or repairs at   
   > older.   
   >   
   > My plumbing pet peeve is why do tubs and showers NOT have their own   
   > shutoffs of any kind ?   
      
   My last two houses did.  This one does not.  Only reason I can think of   
   is cost for the valves and access panel.   
      
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