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   On 2/6/2026 7:40 AM, badgolferman wrote:   
   > On 02/04/2026 12:10, Maria Sophia wrote:   
   >> Plumbing. Shutoffs. Inside the house. Even outside actually. Under sink.   
   >> Toilet. Why on earth are they rotate kind. When have you ever in your 100   
   >> years life ever regulated the flow from the shutoff? It's either on or off.   
   >> It's binary. Right? So why do they all NOT have quarter-turn ball valves?   
   >>   
   >> Nobody in the history of indoor plumbing has ever said, 'Let me precisely   
   >> throttle my toilet fill valve using this crusty little multi-turn shutoff'.   
   >>   
   >> So why are they ubiquitous?   
   >   
   >   
   > The rotate type are cheaper.  The builder has satisfied whatever code   
   > there is.   
   >   
   > My house was built in 1967 and no plumber or inspector has ever found a   
   > whole house shutoff valve anywhere.  I always had to use the one outside   
   > on the lawn to shut off the water when replacing valves in the   
   > bathtub/shower fixtures or anywhere which didn't have its own shutoff valve.   
   >   
   > A couple years ago the water company replaced all the meters to the   
   > houses with electronically controlled ones.  Now you're supposed to call   
   > the utility company and wait on the line for 20 minutes to get someone   
   > to shut off the water.  I finally had the plumber install a whole house   
   > shutoff valve which comes up into a hallway closet then goes back down   
   > under the house again.   
   >   
   > Plumbers don't even like working with copper plumbing these days.  They   
   > replace everything with PEX and press fittings.   
      
   I have a well with in line sediment and iron filters with quarter turn   
   shut off valves where I can bypass the filters when changing and also   
   cut off the whole house if needed.  Four of these valves with no   
   problems.  I can also cut off water by shutting off power to the well   
   from a nearby fuse box.   
      
   Plumber I had in a few days ago said he does not like the SharkBite   
   fittings as they do not hold up.   
      
   With well water being more corrosive my next door neighbor had copper   
   replaced with PEX and later occupant said 16 of the fittings leaked.   
   Apparently bad coupling was used.   
      
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